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01 Mar 2007, 9:44 pm

I think he's saying that the only aspie quality that Hitler had was that he was a good artist.



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01 Mar 2007, 10:20 pm

Actually, he was a terrible artist. He got rejected from art school, or maybe kicked out, I can't remember which. He did mundane, uninspired watercolors of country cotages and old stone buildings.



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01 Mar 2007, 10:28 pm

Well, that's subjective anyway. The point is that he was an artist. And clearly he had an obsession with killing things.



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01 Mar 2007, 10:29 pm

Well, I doubt that "being artistic" is a diagnostic criterion for being Autistic.


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01 Mar 2007, 11:29 pm

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Well, I doubt that "being artistic" is a diagnostic criterion for being Autistic.


But the words are so similar they have to be related!



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02 Mar 2007, 2:11 am

A lot of politicans are sociopaths, however a few are autistic. To think of it in modern times, possibly Al Gore and Hillary Clinton. A former party leader in Australia Tim Fischer admited to being mildly autistic.



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02 Mar 2007, 2:41 am

HAHAHAHA no way! If anything they're the polar opposite of autistic. We aren't charismatic and manipulative.



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02 Mar 2007, 9:11 am

It’s not only about politicians. Politicians have this heavy task of putting up a show of their life, and it looks like they have to maintain some ground from which to be able to distinguish between real life and performance in the stage of politics. Or perhaps they have no real life, they are just puppets and that’s the end of it.
But I also happen to wonder about big CEOs. Let’s say the Airbus or the Boeing CEOs. They have the responsibility of planning for decades, lobby for markets, foresee developments in technique and keep an eye on world politics that might interfere with their plans (oil prices etc,). They also have to be indifferent to the nature of their product: some 800 tourist each flight going and coming to and from Asia to spend their senseless holidays in exoticisms and sex havens. How can they go placidly home to sleep keeping their burden at bay? Of course I know that all this looks fantastically unimaginable to persons who have to think twice if they will “dare to eat a peach” tomorrow (T.S.Eliot, I apologize); in fact it’s not so much for them to live such lives as it is for me (or for us) to imagine such lives.



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02 Mar 2007, 9:27 am

alex wrote:
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The only thing I heard about him that was the LEAST aspie like was that he was a good artist.

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Alex,

wow, way to be offensive and totally wrong. Now you've decided to start insulting aspies in addition to NTs? So you basically hate everyone?


I meant to say LEAST BIT. I was saying hitler WASN'T ASPIE! He is just a stupid megalomaniac. Please realize that, in a way, I am saying he isn't NT either. I agree with the sociopath comments.

How on earth did you take that? What do you have against me? HEY, I saw some paintings attributed to him I thought looked good. UNINSPIRED, and UNIMAGINATIVE, but good(read realistic). There isn't necessarily a link there. The ONLY one I spoke against here was HITLER, and I haven't spoken against many. In fact, OTHERS spoke against them.

Frankly, alex, I expected you to act a bit better. You SEEM like a nice guy. I liked your video. I never said ANYTHING against you. NOT EVEN IN PRIVATE.

As for NTs, I can certainly relate to much of what people here said against them.

Heck, I never even pushed on asking you to change my name. I think almost everyone here, including YOU hopefully, will openly admit that I am not a trouble maker. I have had PM chains with perhaps 10-12 people(Here and ASDgestalt), and they could tell you I am fine THERE also. And I certainly never wanted to offend anyone that I didn't feel really deserved it. If I do, I try to make amends, and usually succeed.

To that end, I hope nobody else here misunderstands what I meant, etc...

Steve



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02 Mar 2007, 9:30 am

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No, see, it's like this: Politicians have a Messiah complex and want to save the world, but an Autistic has a Rubik's complex and wants to solve the puzzle. I would say that the ONLY qualifying feature a career politician has in regards to being "autistic" is a hatred of change (of the status quo, that is.) I would diagnose a career politician as a psychopath, along with maybe something addressing their delusions of grandeur and narcissism.


No politicians LOVE change Remember Clinton? He CHANGED things. NOT for the better, but it made him needed by some, and raised money for his party and political special interests.

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02 Mar 2007, 10:22 am

steve, thought you were implying something else. I must have misunderstood. No hard feelings.

I don't see why aspies can't be anything they want to be.

As for Hitler being a politician, I don't think Hitler's form of politics was similar to the normal one; he threatened and killed people to convince everyone to vote for him... So let's try to keep this thread on topic; hitler wasn't even a standard politician. plus it isn't that pleasant to argue about.


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02 Mar 2007, 10:34 am

THANKS alex!

BTW just so people don't misunderstand. When I spoke of politicians "special interests" I meant in a POLITICAL sense. They are small groups that want to be paid through public coffers. So that isn't a nod to aspie special interests which are personal interests at a somewhat obsessive level.

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02 Mar 2007, 10:43 am

SteveK wrote:
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No, see, it's like this: Politicians have a Messiah complex and want to save the world, but an Autistic has a Rubik's complex and wants to solve the puzzle. I would say that the ONLY qualifying feature a career politician has in regards to being "autistic" is a hatred of change (of the status quo, that is.) I would diagnose a career politician as a psychopath, along with maybe something addressing their delusions of grandeur and narcissism.


No politicians LOVE change Remember Clinton? He CHANGED things. NOT for the better, but it made him needed by some, and raised money for his party and political special interests.

Steve


Seriously, this discussion is ridiculous. I said something as a sort of joke, since I figured this topic to be a joke, but apparently it isn't.


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02 Mar 2007, 10:56 am

SteveK wrote:
THANKS alex!

BTW just so people don't misunderstand. When I spoke of politicians "special interests" I meant in a POLITICAL sense. They are small groups that want to be paid through public coffers. So that isn't a nod to aspie special interests which are personal interests at a somewhat obsessive level.

Steve


granted, its not always a good idea to argue without knowing the history... he was a house painter basically and he painted tacky looking houses, although I'm not an architect and just read that the houses were tacky... still seems like house painting would require little creativity (not that I've tried)


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02 Mar 2007, 11:02 am

alex wrote:
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THANKS alex!

BTW just so people don't misunderstand. When I spoke of politicians "special interests" I meant in a POLITICAL sense. They are small groups that want to be paid through public coffers. So that isn't a nod to aspie special interests which are personal interests at a somewhat obsessive level.

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granted, its not always a good idea to argue without knowing the history... he was a house painter basically and he painted tacky looking houses, although I'm not an architect and just read that the houses were tacky... still seems like house painting would require little creativity (not that I've tried)


I was talking about pictures, not houses. Painting houses could be done by ANYONE with a little care and effort. Some don't use care and effort, and might use the wrong paint, wrong weather, and only one coat with a brush, and get a real tacky(looks and texture) job!

Hey, even arnold swartzenegger had a stint as a bad and tacky brick layer! That was by his OWN admission.

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02 Mar 2007, 11:15 am

dexkaden wrote:
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No, see, it's like this: Politicians have a Messiah complex and want to save the world, but an Autistic has a Rubik's complex and wants to solve the puzzle. I would say that the ONLY qualifying feature a career politician has in regards to being "autistic" is a hatred of change (of the status quo, that is.) I would diagnose a career politician as a psychopath, along with maybe something addressing their delusions of grandeur and narcissism.


No politicians LOVE change Remember Clinton? He CHANGED things. NOT for the better, but it made him needed by some, and raised money for his party and political special interests.

Steve


Seriously, this discussion is ridiculous. I said something as a sort of joke, since I figured this topic to be a joke, but apparently it isn't.


Heck, I think politics as a whole is ridiculous. It is ironic that it starts out to protect a group of people, then it subjugates them, and then supports its existence by fighting other entities with the same history. And the topic IS a joke, but we can still respond, right? Sorry if I made it seem like this was overly important, etc...

Heck, I still remember when I spoke to someone about startrek(HE started it), and a bystander said "Hey, it's JUST a show!"! I told her "YEAH, WE KNOW THAT!"! Heck, star trek has like 4-5 major technologies(Actually only 2 on the most basic level) that make it what it is that various people say are IMPOSSIBLE! Frankly, I agree. Still, we can discuss what could happen if they DID become possible. I think ST does a good job of that.

Steve