Do you think co-morbids should be treated separately?

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17 Aug 2014, 2:04 pm

No. I believe they should all be treated simultaneously because they're all caused by the same root digestive imbalance.

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There is no treatment for autism, in my opinion. You can only treat the symptoms that an autistic individual presents. For example, if a person has sensory sensitivity, try to find ways to make the person more comfortable. If the person is depressed, treat the depression. If the person is anxious, treat the anxiety...

I feel this way about every mental health diagnosis. Co-morbid exist within the same individual. Also each diagnosis is usually made up of a cluster of symptoms. Sometimes one treatment can cure multiple symptoms, but often the symptoms of one diagnosis must be addressed individually. It's the same when a person has multiple diagnoses. You treat the whole person, not one diagnosis.


BS. I've treated myself and reduced symptoms by 95-99% and am now back to living life.


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18 Aug 2014, 10:07 pm

Exactly! So, until we can find the root cause we have to treat the symptoms individually. We do not know what came first the chicken or the egg.

This goes for many types of disorder or illnesses. I has tinnitus, no one knows exactly what causes it or how to treat it for each person. It will never go away but I can learn how to manage it. Once the root cause is identified then they may or may not be able to come up with a treatment for it. Or thinking " out side the box " is tinnitus just a symptom of something else, like allergies.

So! is autism just a symptom of something else? Who knows.... There are so many ways to look at it.

If we have a headache and are not able to find the root cause then we can only treat the headache with a pain reliever. If we know the root cause is needing reading glasses then we can just get a pair of glasses.


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18 Aug 2014, 11:00 pm

Never felt that way for me because at least some of the people with comorbids that I know can pass as normal but tic or have really suicidal tendencies.


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19 Aug 2014, 12:41 pm

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No


Agreed - no, they shouldn't be treated separately.


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19 Aug 2014, 12:56 pm

I think that comorbids should be considered separately from autism to avoid attributing all problems to autism only.


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19 Aug 2014, 1:06 pm

I disagree that we're treating problems. Or maybe that's what happens, but we should be treating people who happen to have problems including comorbid problems.



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19 Aug 2014, 1:15 pm

Look at problems of autism, e.g. poor social cognition, and problems of a co-morbid, e.g. social anxiety, separately in a person, consider how they may be linked, e.g. poor social cognition ---> social mistakes ---> social anxiety ---> avoidance of social situations, but also how they can be separated, e.g. poor social cognition doesn't necessarily cause social anxiety, as there are plenty of people with poor social cognition without social anxiety, and the most meaningful way to move forward is to focus on the social anxiety that has developed to a disabling level and try to reduce it. The anxiety may have been caused by social cognition problems over a long period of time, but that doesn't mean that attributing it to autism and social cognition as the root cause is a good way to move forward in treating and reducing it.


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19 Aug 2014, 1:29 pm

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Look at problems of autism, e.g. poor social cognition, and problems of a co-morbid, e.g. social anxiety, separately in a person, consider how they may be linked, e.g. poor social cognition ---> social mistakes ---> social anxiety ---> avoidance of social situations, but also how they can be separated, e.g. poor social cognition doesn't necessarily cause social anxiety, as there are plenty of people with poor social cognition without social anxiety, and the most meaningful way to move forward is to focus on the social anxiety that has developed to a disabling level and try to reduce it. The anxiety may have been caused by social cognition problems over a long period of time, but that doesn't mean that attributing it to autism and social cognition as the root cause is a good way to move forward in treating and reducing it.

I don't understand what this would mean when I am anxious because people are treating me as being strange and different or even mistreating me for being hard for them to understand?



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19 Aug 2014, 1:41 pm

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Look at problems of autism, e.g. poor social cognition, and problems of a co-morbid, e.g. social anxiety, separately in a person, consider how they may be linked, e.g. poor social cognition ---> social mistakes ---> social anxiety ---> avoidance of social situations, but also how they can be separated, e.g. poor social cognition doesn't necessarily cause social anxiety, as there are plenty of people with poor social cognition without social anxiety, and the most meaningful way to move forward is to focus on the social anxiety that has developed to a disabling level and try to reduce it. The anxiety may have been caused by social cognition problems over a long period of time, but that doesn't mean that attributing it to autism and social cognition as the root cause is a good way to move forward in treating and reducing it.

I don't understand what this would mean when I am anxious because people are treating me as being strange and different or even mistreating me for being hard for them to understand?


Your anxiety is still inside your mind. I don't have anxiety when people treat me as being strange and different, in fact I usually don't even recognize their behavior as this. The way to move forward is to treat the anxiety in your mind, such that you can be less anxious and more confident even when people mistreat you, as that happens in life to many types of people like black people, poor people, gay people, fat people, disabled people, etc. It doesn't mean that they should mistreat you, but your anxiety is still in your mind, and the way to work on it is with focus on anxiety instead of autism.


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19 Aug 2014, 2:53 pm

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Look at problems of autism, e.g. poor social cognition, and problems of a co-morbid, e.g. social anxiety, separately in a person, consider how they may be linked, e.g. poor social cognition ---> social mistakes ---> social anxiety ---> avoidance of social situations, but also how they can be separated, e.g. poor social cognition doesn't necessarily cause social anxiety, as there are plenty of people with poor social cognition without social anxiety, and the most meaningful way to move forward is to focus on the social anxiety that has developed to a disabling level and try to reduce it. The anxiety may have been caused by social cognition problems over a long period of time, but that doesn't mean that attributing it to autism and social cognition as the root cause is a good way to move forward in treating and reducing it.

I don't understand what this would mean when I am anxious because people are treating me as being strange and different or even mistreating me for being hard for them to understand?


Your anxiety is still inside your mind. I don't have anxiety when people treat me as being strange and different, in fact I usually don't even recognize their behavior as this. The way to move forward is to treat the anxiety in your mind, such that you can be less anxious and more confident even when people mistreat you, as that happens in life to many types of people like black people, poor people, gay people, fat people, disabled people, etc. It doesn't mean that they should mistreat you, but your anxiety is still in your mind, and the way to work on it is with focus on anxiety instead of autism.

You're probably right, it wasn't frightening to be seen as different when I wasn't aware. It was only after a certain few individuals targeted my differences as something to repeatedly rub my face in that I started seeing myself differently. But what can I say to myself when I become anxious someone I thought was being nice was actually tormenting me because it takes me longer than most people to word things? Are you able to be confused without becoming anxious? And if so, are you able to describe how you do that?



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19 Aug 2014, 3:04 pm

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btbnnyr wrote:
Look at problems of autism, e.g. poor social cognition, and problems of a co-morbid, e.g. social anxiety, separately in a person, consider how they may be linked, e.g. poor social cognition ---> social mistakes ---> social anxiety ---> avoidance of social situations, but also how they can be separated, e.g. poor social cognition doesn't necessarily cause social anxiety, as there are plenty of people with poor social cognition without social anxiety, and the most meaningful way to move forward is to focus on the social anxiety that has developed to a disabling level and try to reduce it. The anxiety may have been caused by social cognition problems over a long period of time, but that doesn't mean that attributing it to autism and social cognition as the root cause is a good way to move forward in treating and reducing it.

I don't understand what this would mean when I am anxious because people are treating me as being strange and different or even mistreating me for being hard for them to understand?


Your anxiety is still inside your mind. I don't have anxiety when people treat me as being strange and different, in fact I usually don't even recognize their behavior as this. The way to move forward is to treat the anxiety in your mind, such that you can be less anxious and more confident even when people mistreat you, as that happens in life to many types of people like black people, poor people, gay people, fat people, disabled people, etc. It doesn't mean that they should mistreat you, but your anxiety is still in your mind, and the way to work on it is with focus on anxiety instead of autism.

You're probably right, it wasn't frightening to be seen as different when I wasn't aware. It was only after a certain few individuals targeted my differences as something to repeatedly rub my face in that I started seeing myself differently. But what can I say to myself when I become anxious someone I thought was being nice was actually tormenting me because it takes me longer than most people to word things? Are you able to be confused without becoming anxious? And if so, are you able to describe how you do that?


Anxiety is a normal part of life, and each person has anxiety frequently in response to stressful events like people being mean to you. The big problem is when anxiety gets out of control, occurs constantly even when there is no specific trigger, and prevents the person from doing what they want to do and would otherwise be able to do in life.

I don't know what you should do for anxiety, but I can generally focus my mind away from it to do something else much more interesting, and when a bit of time has passed, the anxiety is gone.


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19 Aug 2014, 6:03 pm

no,am not agreeing that comorbids shoud be treated as one and the same thing but they shoud keep the autism in the back of their mind as it does 'flavour' a lot of comorbids.

am fed up of depression not being understood,because am not verbaly able to communicate it to other people and it shows in severe challenging behavior and other negative ways, people have always blamed it on the autism and intelectual disability.
last september when had trashed a residential home due to se and was detained in a learning [US=intelectual] disability secure hospital,they blamed the autism and ID and was never given MH support,they even went as far as to take away half the anti depressent and wondered why behavior had gotten even worse two weeks later,their lack of seperating comorbids was noticibly visible on the diagnosis report [scan of it here];
http://cdn.imghack.se/images/38526d6a97 ... 11f6c3.jpg
someone doesnt simply get sectioned due to mild intelectual disability.
the last page included everything that had already been rightfuly diagnosed with but didnt include any of the mental health conditions; severe major depressive disorder, pyschosis, reactive attachment disorder.

am still fighting to get the MH side recognised.


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