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22 Sep 2014, 10:00 am

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The woman in that video appears to have some form of OCD, with the constantly opening and closing of unrelated items like the micro wave. It seems like autism in combination with some other issues, which I will not specifically name as I am not a trained professional able to make such diagnosis. Still, though, the video shows a woman who is severely autistic and impaired in ways that the average Asperger's or HFA person would not suffer from unless there's other issues at hand.


Let me repeat your own words one more time:
I am not a trained professional able to make such diagnosis.

This is the absolute truth.
The other truth is, since you are not a trained professional you don't know what the average Aspie or HFA might suffer from. You may not have heard that old tired out phrase, "If you have met one Aspie, you have met one Aspie." As overused as it is, it is actually true. Every Aspie is not you. You have no idea what life is like for any other Aspie but yourself unless you know that person personally.


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22 Sep 2014, 10:03 am

LokiofSassgard wrote:
Charloz wrote:
The woman in that video appears to have some form of OCD, with the constantly opening and closing of unrelated items like the micro wave. It seems like autism in combination with some other issues, which I will not specifically name as I am not a trained professional able to make such diagnosis. Still, though, the video shows a woman who is severely autistic and impaired in ways that the average Asperger's or HFA person would not suffer from unless there's other issues at hand.


Um... I doubt she has OCD. People with autism, especially severe autism, do stuff like that all the time. They do it for stimulation. I've seen videos of some of them running their hand under the faucet while it's running. This is a form of sitmming, and it's usually a calming thing for them. It's common for an autistic person to do things explained in the video you see.


Common for a severely autistic person, as you rightfully stated yourself. Let's not sugarcoat it: Asperger's used to co-exist with a conditioning called "High Functioning Autism" which is essentially the exact same thing. It indicates the person who falls under this category is highly functional in many ways. The type of behavior displayed in that video is not common for people with only AS, so unless this woman has some underlying afflictions or other conditions, there is no way in hell she's AS based on the way she is acting. That's very low-functioning behavior, and it's even shortened down in the video as it may take UP TO FIVE HOURS to an entire day!

It's brave of her to have made such an informative video, however.


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22 Sep 2014, 10:07 am

Charloz, Rather than wasting my time rewriting it, look at my post above the one you just wrote. First you say you are not trained to make a diagnosis and then you turn right around and make a major and generalized diagnostic judgement. So which is it? Are you a trained professional or not?

And the other thing is as far as your little interaction with LokiofSassgard, you don't know her. You did not diagnose her, you do not live with her. You have no idea if she has other issues like OCD or whatever else someone could have. You don't know what the specifics are that are preventing her from being able to cook eggs. How can you you so incredibly arrogant to think that you can make a diagnostic judgment on her personal situation when you are not only untrained at these things, apparently ignorant at many things that have to do with ASD, and when you have never even met her? You really need to take a close look at yourself and what you are qualified and not qualified to talk about.


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22 Sep 2014, 10:08 am

Neither of them did. My mom started to understand from my very poor social kills, meltdowns, too much change. Now especially needing more intensive support but unable to get it because of the age restriction!
My behavior at highest is around age 13...


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22 Sep 2014, 12:10 pm

No but I feel like... most individuals that I have met have no idea what it is like to be us, because they do not have what we do.


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22 Sep 2014, 6:56 pm

You should eggsplain a few times why you don't want to do what they want you to do or why you want to do what you want to do.
Then, after you have eggsplained a few times, just ignore their requests and complaints, as it is hard to please them without harming yourself.


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22 Sep 2014, 7:19 pm

No, they don't. They keep saying "the doctors are wrong, isn't possible that you're autistic, you're normal!"
so yay it's normal not make eye contact, and all the others symptoms -___-



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25 Sep 2014, 1:54 am

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There's really no reason to be so rude to me, I didn't mean it in a bad way at all. It's just that I have autism myself and I really see how some more complicated technical things may be problematic, but making eggs is something that can be learned quite easily. It goes as follows:

-Get a pan

Which pan?

I'm not sure if I use one of the heavy pans or one of the lighter ones. And I know that there are certain pans that I'm supposed to only use certain utensils with, but I can't remember which ones? And some of the pans you aren't supposed to actually wash with soap, I know those are the dark ones, but there are like FOUR dark pans in the cupboard and if I use the one you aren't supposed to wash someone is going to be PISSED. Also... I don't know which utensils that aren't metal are still ok to use in a pan. because if I use the non-metal that gets all melty it overloads me to the point where I can't THINK.


-Get eggs
ok, not too hard.
What do I do with them?

-Put oil in pan
Is this while I'm holding the eggs?
wait, but some pans you aren't supposed to oil. What kind of oil? how much oil?
Do I put it in the pain while the flame is on or while it's off? in the middle of the pan, does that matter?


-Break eggs in pan
How? Can I just squash them or is there a specific method for this? how do I do it without getting shells in there? What do I do if I GET shells in there? What if I get shells in there and the pan is already hot? Then there's hot oil in there and it's spattering and I burn myself [this, by the way is why I was really scared of pans for a long time]? what if i put too much oil in there because I didn't know what was too much and the oil catches on fire? DO I USE WATER TO PUT OUT THE FIRE?

-Keep on fire a bit
How long is a bit? How hot should the fire be? What if it's not a gas stove? What if it is electric? How do I know the eggs are done? How do I know they are overdone? what should they look like? What should they feel or smell like?

-Turn off fire

...when?
-Scoop scrambled eggs on plate
Is it ok if they fall apart? are they supposed to or are they just supposed to be one big mass? Was I supposed to get the plate while things were cooking? Is it ok to leave a pan full of bubbling, sputtering oil unattended to grab a plate or not? if so, for how long?
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-Done!

The stove or house may or may not be on fire, I may or may not now procede to undo years of seasoning to a cast iron skillet, I could be eating an omelet full of shells or the eggs could have fallen on the floor while I was trying to pour a cup of oil in a non-stick pan [which you aren't supposed to oil] that was already sitting atop a large burner set to high heat [also a nono].

You didn't really provide a sufficient explanation. What is obvious to you is not at all to others.

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Have you ever watched as your parents made scrambled eggs and then tried to make it yourself? Have you ever attempted to try and maybe messed up? The latter happened to me once when I was a teenager and forgot I had an egg on the fire, the whole kitchen smelled awful and it was hard to clean up.

So... when a fire alarm goes off? I don't know about anyone else but I literally can't function that vast majority of the time because of the frequency and volume of the noise they make.


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If you ask your father or mother to make you scrambled eggs, please do yourself a favour and go into the kitchen with him and see how they do it, so that next time you will perhaps be able to do it yourself. You can have someone watch over you while you do it the first few times so that you will be less anxious, and gradually do more and more yourself until you are able to make it fully independently. Good luck!


Maybe do yourself a favour and stop being so patronizing please and thank you.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but that was my impression and if I insulted you in any way I am very sorry. I am autistic myself so I know how the simplest of things can be troubling and a matter of trial and error, but through trial and error you often learn and improve the most in my experience. :wink:


You saying "I'm autistic myself" doesn't get you off the hook from saying this:

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Your father telling you to scramble your own egg has absolutely nothing to do with him 'not understanding autism' and this observation is, therefore, hugely off-topic and irrelevant. Unless you have serious motor skill problems that would make you burn down the house if you attempted to make scrambled eggs, there is really no excuse here why a 25 year old grown man could not make himself an egg. :wink:


What you said in this thread was degrading and if you actually understand what people are talking about in terms of executive functioning and other issues [which is why I would think one might remind others that they are in fact, also autistic] I can't really understand why you've said it.

You seem to fail to take into account that even though you are autistic yourself, not everyone has the same individual experiences.

As in my above explanation where I pointed out that your "instructions" were lacking, having poor executive functioning and other issues that often go along with autism can actually make things *gasp* difficult. OMGNOWAY!

And by the way, HI!
*waves*

I've been diagnosed as High Functioning Autistic.
Until maybe three or four years ago I had major problems cooking. The ONLY reason I don't now is because I put forth extreme effort in changing that. Not everyone has the resources to do that. [I'm 32 by the way.]

There are other things I have difficulty with, but I don't want to get a speech on how they are so easy and how a grown up has no excuse so I won't mention them here.


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25 Sep 2014, 10:57 am

My family doesn't understand at all. Well, I have one distant relative who kind of does- but immediate family (besides husband), no way.

I'm verbal with them (they would FREAK OUT if I even tried to use AAC with them) and make eye contact for the hour I'm with them, so all is fine in their book. Plus I'm not an eight year old white male. :/

What hurts the most is the realization that they honestly don't care about me enough to understand. As long as I can fit in for holidays, they don't care. If they did care, their actions would show it.

Luckily my husband understands and is the most supportive person I've ever known. He's amazing!