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13 Dec 2014, 1:19 pm

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I think part of the reason is that he is concerned that the messy hair, the messy house, and all the other signs of self-neglect and vocational dysfunction might be part of the negative and disorganization symptoms of incipient schizophrenia. I certainly find it much much more difficult to organize cleaning tasks than even a couple months ago. It's like I'm losing the ability to put the pieces of the task together.

I am going through a similar situation. I moved out on my own just over three months ago and am finding it harder and harder to keep my apartment in a good state, or myself for that matter. I've started wearing the same clothes for days, even sleeping in them. I just don't care. I have no one to keep up appearances for.
I am on disability too and I don't think I'll be able to go back to work full time. My executive function is shot. Faced with everyday puzzles my brain is like a deer in headlights - I just stare into space unable to move forward.


Sometimes I wonder if its just normal autism related executive functioning difficulties that cause me that sort of thing...reading up on such things I am pretty sure that auditory hallucinations are not actually not required for a diagnoses of schizophrenia. Though I guess I have nothing to worry about if getting ridiculous ideas like someone took whatever item I am missing(that I actually lost)when frustrated for instance is normal and not an actual 'delusion'. It is also not uncommon for one the autism spectrum to over-analyze things to death and become concerned with things perhaps not worthy of concern. I also have PTSD and some of those symptoms overlap with schizophrenia symptoms so there is that too, psychology is confusing.


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13 Dec 2014, 1:26 pm

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Sometimes people need harsh. Others in their life may have exhausted all the other kit glove suggestions.

It took our child writing in school that her dad doesn't bath, help around the house and in his computer room all the time for my husband to finally understand his non actions affected us. This was on a school assignment. The teacher called the social worker and me. They thought my husband had a drug problem. And what the child wrote was true, he was doing all the above.

My husband was beyond horrified. He thought no one noticed. We all noticed. We all gave suggestions and offered to help. We all were encouraging way beyond what you'd do for an NT. It took his therapist saying he was going to drop him if he didn't start making more effort (which had been explained and written out), and his daughter writing that he was more or less a total invalid for him to realize his actions couldn't stay the same.

I wished it didn't take harsh for him to start moving forward. It had been fours since his ASD diagnosis of him basically doing nothing. He has literally wasted four years of his life. Not being engaged in his family, or special interests, or doing ANYTHING. I understand it's anxiety, depression, ToM and executive functioning skills. Those are reasons why things are hard, not excuses not to do anything.

Hell...if you are in a group home, they make you wash three days a week, clean up your room and help out in the kitchen every seven days. His therapist asked did he want to move into a group home and did he need that kind of constant interaction to do anything. Did he still wanted to be married and be around his child? His current actions screamed no.

Everyone has there rock bottom. If you think things are going fine, you don't see a therapist. My husband was kidding himself about how much process he was making (none..backsliding). He had contracts and outlines of how and when to do things. My husband was in total denial, and was called on it.

Pretty? Nope. But that is the only thing that has worked, and he's functioning more.


Some people have even said they like harsher more blunt advice....hence why I was curious as to if the OP felt they needed the therapist to word it the way they did, or if that was helpful since for some people that can be for some situations. Also not sure if their situation is as extreme as what you describe....I do not see anything wrong with how that was dealt with I mean if someone has significant other and a child they need to be able to be commited to that relationship and taking care of/raising the child if they want to remain a part of that...unfortunately even if it really is that they are unable it's still just not going to work. Seems like in his case it wasn't an entire inability though since the mention of what the not addressing those issues would cause has led to him improving in those areas.


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13 Dec 2014, 1:31 pm

Tawaki wrote:
Sometimes people need harsh. Others in their life may have exhausted all the other kit glove suggestions.

It took our child writing in school that her dad doesn't bath, help around the house and in his computer room all the time for my husband to finally understand his non actions affected us. This was on a school assignment. The teacher called the social worker and me. They thought my husband had a drug problem. And what the child wrote was true, he was doing all the above.

My husband was beyond horrified. He thought no one noticed. We all noticed. We all gave suggestions and offered to help. We all were encouraging way beyond what you'd do for an NT. It took his therapist saying he was going to drop him if he didn't start making more effort (which had been explained and written out), and his daughter writing that he was more or less a total invalid for him to realize his actions couldn't stay the same.

I wished it didn't take harsh for him to start moving forward. It had been fours since his ASD diagnosis of him basically doing nothing. He has literally wasted four years of his life. Not being engaged in his family, or special interests, or doing ANYTHING. I understand it's anxiety, depression, ToM and executive functioning skills. Those are reasons why things are hard, not excuses not to do anything.

Hell...if you are in a group home, they make you wash three days a week, clean up your room and help out in the kitchen every seven days. His therapist asked did he want to move into a group home and did he need that kind of constant interaction to do anything. Did he still wanted to be married and be around his child? His current actions screamed no.

Everyone has there rock bottom. If you think things are going fine, you don't see a therapist. My husband was kidding himself about how much process he was making (none..backsliding). He had contracts and outlines of how and when to do things. My husband was in total denial, and was called on it.

Pretty? Nope. But that is the only thing that has worked, and he's functioning more.



My mom has been harsh with my husband a couple times and bam he would start doing more around the house. My mom was once harsh with my dad and bam he did what she wanted. Sh had to threaten him that if he came home without doing any work on their house in Montana, he is living in the RV. He didn't talk to her for four days but he stopped trying to hire someone to clean and fix their house and started doing the work himself because they couldn't afford someone to do it for them so that was why she got harsh with him and used a threat. She was serious because she was tired of it and the debts he has put her through and the fact she can't retire and she will not have anymore debts so she used a threat and decided one more and she is done.

Some people would call it tough love like you guys did and my mother.


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13 Dec 2014, 1:35 pm

Tawaki wrote:
Sometimes people need harsh. Others in their life may have exhausted all the other kit glove suggestions.

It took our child writing in school that her dad doesn't bath, help around the house and in his computer room all the time for my husband to finally understand his non actions affected us. This was on a school assignment. The teacher called the social worker and me. They thought my husband had a drug problem. And what the child wrote was true, he was doing all the above.

My husband was beyond horrified. He thought no one noticed. We all noticed. We all gave suggestions and offered to help. We all were encouraging way beyond what you'd do for an NT. It took his therapist saying he was going to drop him if he didn't start making more effort (which had been explained and written out), and his daughter writing that he was more or less a total invalid for him to realize his actions couldn't stay the same.

I wished it didn't take harsh for him to start moving forward. It had been fours since his ASD diagnosis of him basically doing nothing. He has literally wasted four years of his life. Not being engaged in his family, or special interests, or doing ANYTHING. I understand it's anxiety, depression, ToM and executive functioning skills. Those are reasons why things are hard, not excuses not to do anything.

Hell...if you are in a group home, they make you wash three days a week, clean up your room and help out in the kitchen every seven days. His therapist asked did he want to move into a group home and did he need that kind of constant interaction to do anything. Did he still wanted to be married and be around his child? His current actions screamed no.

Everyone has there rock bottom. If you think things are going fine, you don't see a therapist. My husband was kidding himself about how much process he was making (none..backsliding). He had contracts and outlines of how and when to do things. My husband was in total denial, and was called on it.

Pretty? Nope. But that is the only thing that has worked, and he's functioning more.


Big thing for me is that I live alone. My therapist, though, has said I do better when I'm under guidance from another person, saying "Do this," "Do that," etc. I've noticed the same.


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13 Dec 2014, 1:38 pm

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If a therapist told me I need to act like an adult I'd probably leave and never return to see him in all honesty.

Therapists are supposed to be understanding, not jerks like the one you described.


Well, he did warn that it would come across as harsh, but he said he thought I needed to hear it. The messy hair, messy house, always wearing the same clothes, I mean, come on.


Yeah...no therapist is going to go high five good job. Those are all symptoms of depression.

My husband got the riot act from his therapist this week also. But he doesn't get hints, and *being nice-oh...it's okay*, just let's him ruminate and stay stuck. And letting the chips fall where they may doesn't work either. He'll do nothing and let everything to go to hell.

I told him no psychiatrist ever spared my feelings...lol...

Ruts suck.


Yeah, he checked me for major depression. Didn't look like I fit the criteria, though, and I'm currently on a high-dose antidepressant for OCD symptoms. Because of that, he was wondering if these were negative symptoms, of something like incipient schizophrenia.


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13 Dec 2014, 5:18 pm

If a therapist told me to act like an adult, I'd walk out their office and never come back. I've always had issues with age and gender.


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14 Dec 2014, 7:47 pm

At least your therapist actually gives you advice. My therapist just tells me I already have a good life therefor I shouldn't be depressed. What kind of therapy is that?


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14 Dec 2014, 8:15 pm

It's not therapy. It's invalidation. Invalidating therapists are dangerous. Please consider finding another one.



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14 Dec 2014, 9:42 pm

I probably should. I'm supposed to see her tomorrow. My insurance has run out and I'm surprised how few therapists there are here who bulk bill. I guess they must think poor people are immune to psychological problems. I'll look into other therapists. This one listens for half an hour without saying anything and then implies that I'm a hyperchondriac.


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15 Dec 2014, 10:39 am

Can't you find one who specializes in Asperger's/autism? Maybe you could ask your local Asperger's society for a referral.

Most therapists really don't know much about ASD's.

Most therapists think people should "get a life."



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15 Dec 2014, 3:03 pm

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I probably should. I'm supposed to see her tomorrow. My insurance has run out and I'm surprised how few therapists there are here who bulk bill. I guess they must think poor people are immune to psychological problems. I'll look into other therapists. This one listens for half an hour without saying anything and then implies that I'm a hyperchondriac.


As you are in Australia, would it help to look at Tony Atwood's website, he may have some contacts listed there, or you could phone his department, and ask if they could suggest someone in your area with expertise in the field, or suggest how you might go about finding a competent person?



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15 Dec 2014, 3:32 pm

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I guess they must think poor people are immune to psychological problems.


:lol: does seem to be the case sometimes.


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15 Dec 2014, 3:34 pm

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Can't you find one who specializes in Asperger's/autism? Maybe you could ask your local Asperger's society for a referral.

Most therapists really don't know much about ASD's.

Most therapists think people should "get a life."


Most therapists are better trained to deal with normal people who are just struggling in a couple areas of their life...or are experiencing some mental illness like symptoms or just going through a period of situational depression and what not. Not so much dealing with people that have autism and actually more severe mental problems like PTSD combined with the depression and anxiety I already had. In my opionion CBT therapists are useless for getting an assessment for aspergers/autism for the most part let alone providing the right sort of support/therapy.


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15 Dec 2014, 4:33 pm

"Act like an adult" isn't very concrete, specific, or helpful. It may or may not be insulting, depending on context.

More concrete things, though-- Yes, you DO need to make sure you bathe, and brush, and change clothes. You DO need to make sure you pick up after yourself.

Picking up after yourself is hard, especially once it gets into a mess. Where do you start??? I tend to start with things that stink. Clean out the fridge, take out the trash, wash the dishes, scoop the cat pan, clean the toilet. Then do the laundry. Then do the things with expiration dates-- sort that pile of mail and pay bills. That's my hardest one-- paying bills and making phone calls. Then pick a room (maybe the one where you spend the most time) and make it neat. Three piles-- throw away, put away, and take to the room it belongs in. Throw away the throw aways and take out the trash again. When nothing stinks, nothing is overdue, and one room is neat, practice keeping it that way. When you can keep it that way, add another room. You make progress immediately, and within a couple of months you have a clean apartment.

Too bad it took me 10 years to learn to keep a house that way, and another 5 to really get rid of the clutter (all those useless things that I still remembered when they were good for something and enjoyed the memories). I still have more clutter than most people, but at least I can get all the rooms but my bedroom neat in a day.

Of course then you add in kids, tearing up as I clean...

And so I still end up doing the "Get one room decent, and start on the next room tomorrow" thing. Things very very seldom get to stinking nowadays, but I always have a backlog of phone calls. I tell myself, "Act like an adult." It doesn't help. What I need to do needs to be specific and concrete.

Another way is to have someone help you make a list. Monday, shower, brush your hair, and wash the dishes. Tuesday, do all that and take out the trash. Wednesday, shower, brush, wash, and clean the kitchen. Thursday, shower, brush, wash, neaten up the kitchen (it gets messy every day), and clean half of the living room (or straighten up the books, or sort out the papers, or whatever). Friday, maintain everything you've done and add something else. Saturday and Sunday, just maintain. Start over with making more progress on Monday.

No job has to be perfect to be done. "Clean the kitchen" doesn't have to mean scrubbing the stove top and polishing the sink. Just doing the dishes and getting a countertop clear enough to prepare a meal on and maybe mopping the floor. I think most of us get hung up in details like that-- I know I do. The kitchen will be gleaming while the living room has gone to pot because all I did was clean the kitchen.


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15 Dec 2014, 5:34 pm

Therapists tend to work according to which theory of human behaviour in psychology they chose to practice. So some are "behaviourists" who focus on punishment and rewards to modify behaviour, and are not interested in any internal thoughts, feelings or processes.

Their opposite number are the humanist therapists, of whom there are many subdivisions. They essentially believe that the dignity, wellness and wholeness of a person relies on having essential human needs met - needs for attention (we all need attention, that's not a character flaw), acceptance, affection, appreciation, validation, support. They practice by trying to identify where and how these needs are not being met and how the client can modify life circumstances in order to maximise the fulfilment of these basic emotional needs.

And there are others of course, some weirdos who have really bizarre ideas that clients shouldn't be given any answers or guidance at all, but just continually challenged to confront their defects...

The therapeutic maze...



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15 Dec 2014, 9:16 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Can't you find one who specializes in Asperger's/autism? Maybe you could ask your local Asperger's society for a referral.

Most therapists really don't know much about ASD's.

Me or the OP? I already have a therapist who specializes in Asperger's. I saw her today. She said I already have a good life. I told her I can't stop regretting past failures and that they're all my fault. She said I shouldn't blame myself. She said instead I should blame everyone else. She said I shouldn't blame myself for doing badly in school, she said instead I should blame the doctor who put me on Risperadone. She was particularly adamant that I should blame my problems on my mother (fine by me, I'm sick of Mum and her indifference).
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Therapists tend to work according to which theory of human behavior in psychology they chose to practice.

I'm not sure what type mine is.


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