aspies, politically incorrect, huh?

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This thread disappointed me somewhat, which is kind of in line with what I was talking about in this thread. The fact that nobody has had a similar experience, or seems to understand what I mean, is interesting. The fact that people get defensive is another interesting observation and phenomenon, and very relevant to what I was talking about. The fact that people seem to go off on a sidetrack or just ignore the core of the topic is something I see a lot on this forum and in many other places also for some reason. Just plain ignoring the thread or dropping out after a while, so that it never develops into a real discussion is also something I encounter a lot. Anyway, just wanted to put my thoughts into written words, if nothing else then to just discuss with myself. And yeah, I tend to use somewhat offensive language a lot of times, because I have noticed that "being nice" is one of the absolutely most key parts of the whole dynamic that I'm criticizing in this thread.

I have also been thinking about various religious or spiritual dimensions this might have. That interests me a lot. I might have some form of mild psychosis or schizotypy, to use the commonly accepted frameworks of ideas and concepts, which you might have to do to some degree to find some kind of connection or starting point. I have for example been wondering about the connection between psychosis and what's called "the ancient Gnostic paradigm" in this article.

"An illusive, symbolic interpretation of reality, including history" does sound very similar to the experience I'm having, where most people around me have a much more literal concrete way of viewing things, it seems. From their perspective people like me have "loose thoughts" or "loose associations" etc., or are just "psychotic". I like the poem quoted on that page, which I find very relevant:



http://www.gnostics.com/newdawn-1.html

I think it is very interesting though the associations I get when I read the posts about politics in this thread, no matter if the associations I get are in any way related to what the posters intended to convey or stimulate.

I have had a very strong interest in mind control lately, primarily of the kind that is directed at masses of people, such as propaganda. Jonathan Bowden says about Julius Evola something like that he had a very undemocratic view of people, and viewed people as sacks of potatoes to be moved around. Here is the interesting video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YqKf3v2aPs

Here's a quote from a podcast:

source: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2014/06/RIR-140604.php

Brave New World, Aldous Huxley

Where I'm going with this is that I mean that my mind and perception, and how it interacts with the mind and perception of others, such as people on this forum, most likely is not random, but is the end result of a complex system of, probably at least partly, politics. And that's where the posts about politics in this thread are interesting, and my associations from them, even though that was not what I had in mind so much when I started the thread. I even think that various "mental disorders" and "mental illnesses" to a large extent might be very much controlled from above if you will, being part of a system that is not random or organic, even though people do not generally think in those terms for some reason. This is part of my speculative nature, drawing abstractions from things by myself and reflecting upon those etc. I really don't know what's going on or what to make of anything, but at least chaos is better than stagnant hopelessness, hopefully.

One aspect of the mental mechanism or state that I'm talking about appears to be, whether it's cause or effect I don't know, that you are alone almost all the time. I think this might be one of the underlying causes of the dynamic I have observed and that I'm talking about; people are afraid of being alone, so they'll do almost anything to avoid that. I think there might also be political aspects of that. It's interesting that 9/11 was mentioned and homeostasis. People's minds react in various ways to outer stimuli, in ways that follow certain patterns and can not only be mapped but the knowledge of it can be used to engineer mass consciousness. I think that one of the things that might make me different from others on here is that I don't feel that I love anyone. Most people on here love their parents. Alienation basically, the opposite of connection. When you have some form of connection and care about it, your entire mind adjusts to accommodate the fear of losing that. I'm starting to grow very tired of Internet forums in general. Over and over again I find myself discussing with myself, or find that people don't really address the things I'm talking about in the few cases where they do write something, or in some cases I have found myself writing essays and people say I should start a blog or write a book, and that they don't know what particular point to address or where to start. All these responses are another of those things that has caused me to become aggressive or offensive, as I said in what seems to be an almost automatic compulsive reaction of my mind to try to force some kind of response or reaction. Let me put it this way, I have no trouble seeing the motivation behind 9/11.

I notice a similar thing going on with men in the relation to women. It's quite obvious to me that the most simple-minded men attract the most women. I recently got called weird by a woman. I have certainly come to the insight that women's views and adapting to them are a major obstacle for anyone interested in seeking truth. Truth comes far behind women in the list of priority for most men, so they'll do almost anything, pervert their minds to extremes, in order to suit the tastes of women. I recently watched Nightcrawler and discussed that movie a bit on this forum. I get a seemingly never ending stream of associations out of that movie. I can easily see several connections to this thread.

That seems to be referencing Plato's Allegory of the Cave.



That's seems a bit misogynist...



I feel like you have a predetermined conclusion and whatever we write will likely feed a confirmation bias which seems to be catering to some sort of superiority complex...

Maybe. But even if that is the case that might just be the outer layer of it, a mental mechanism serving as a means to an end. Another possibility that may or may not be related is that your reaction is part of the whole groupthink dynamic that I described and which I described that my mind seems to be at war with. Anybody who struggles to rise above mediocrity and stagnation is likely to be accused of having a superiority complex. Isn't that in many ways a sign of political incorrectness? Because catering to everybody else's tastes, sacrificing all kinds of things in order to cause the least amount of offense, is the essence of political correctness. And when political correctness or comfort is at extreme levels you might have to just blatantly offend for the sake of offending, because people are so asleep in their desensitized state that they are virtually living dead. This makes me think of installations of modern art. Many of those seem to be totally useless at first notice, totally ugly, they do nothing but disturb or pollute the landscape. In fact one might wonder where the line is to be drawn between art and proper debasement of the senses in many cases. But isn't ugly just a milder version of evil, and isn't evil really enlightenment? I have experienced that the seemingly most pointless stupid "art", which only seemed to be a nuisance, could have an effect almost like a psychedelic drug on the mind. This also makes me think of that movie I mentioned, Nightcrawler, which was very much like that. It was some kind of action horror thriller. And that triggered a flow of creativity in my mind like few movies I have seen, despite being a relatively simple movie. When I walked out of that movie I wasn't sure whether I felt that I had watched something morally subversive and committed a sin for enjoying it, and that in itself was subject of the stream of associations that followed.

Have you ever heard of the Dunning–Kruger effect?

No. Thanks for the link. That is one possibility among many. It's also possible that the fact that you get associations to the Dunning-Kruger effect in itself might be a sign of something similar occurring in your mind when you judge the input. Have you watched the movie The Big Lebowski? That movie seems to me that it might be relevant to this discussion. There are two main characters, which have been mixed up: a millionaire, and a poor loser. Judging from the footage it seems to be a movie with Freemasonic influence.

I forgot to put my thoughts on your original question.


I believe the reason why some "aspies" are not politically incorrect is that they have been brainwashed into the "social justice" movement. Thus, they want to believe that society owes them something since they have been born with a disadvantage. They seek to be normal and want to cut everyone down to their level. Hence, they are obsessed into becoming normal by making the normal play at their level. This is contrary to the "aspies" of the past where they never really played the game to become normal and just did want they are interested in just for themselves.

One can blame this idea on many things including cultural marxism or whatever crazy idea that one think is poisoning society. However, I blame this on the treatment that "aspies" get now as a "special class" and brained washed to be normal through the psychology industry.

On that topic - or somewhat tangentially related - I was once curious about the apparent brainwashed ideas of a certain political grouping, so I created a fake Facebook account and infiltrated their groups to run some experiments

I would find a post that someone made that followed the "political correctness" for that group - such as "we should support x in said war" - and then I would make a comment on that post saying something such as "should we not be in support of y, they seem to have a lot more in common with us".

While in the normal setting of debate they would probably argue with me, when I was presenting myself as one of them I was surprised that once I broke the ice on the idea of supporting the "other side", often a number of them would start coming out who also thought that the group should be supporting that side.

My conclusions from these experiments were that said group had certain people who seemed to set what was "politically correct" for people who identified themselves as part of that group to think/say, but often a number of them would have contrary beliefs which they would hide until it seemed more socially acceptable to voice them within that group, such as when another "member of the group" voiced that opinion.

Sooo, people who often seem politically correct (in the context of the group they are in) can often turn out to be less "politically correct" than they let on (in their actual views), but are often too afraid to say so, and so end up being led like sheep anyway...

This seems contradictory to the observed evidence. Undiagnosed Aspies of the past seem to have better outcomes and be better at passing as NT than those of us who grew up with diagnosis. Historically, Aspies needed to be "normal" to survive. Now, we know what is wrong with us so we often don't adapt.

To be honest, I think everything in your post is a load of rubbish. I don't know of a single autistic person who wants to "cut everyone down to their level" or thinks that "society owes them something".