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Protogenoi
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30 Dec 2014, 11:05 pm

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QuiversWhiskers' comment about how the psychs on the panel were screened reminded me of something else I'd thought of. Even before one of the doctors mentioned that he'd had depression, I suspected there was something different about him; he kept making comments about how they could be horribly wrong in their assumptions, and that he wasn't at all confident in their ability to successfully identify those with mental disorders; those comments sound a lot like those a person suffering from depression or low self-esteem would make.


Except that is a logical approach. They don't have much experience in diagnosing in this style. And it is required to be sensitive and inform the subjects of the tentative nature of the study at the time of confrontation.


Correct, however, saying, "We're being extremely tentative about this because it's not the diagnostic style we're used to" is very different from saying, "We could be very wrong about this," and "I'm not very confident about this." Not to mention, he could have said it once or twice to make his point, but he said it almost every time he was on camera, which makes the difference between ordinary caution and the lack of confidence associated with depression.


Ok, I get it now... It's the way he said it, not that he said it.


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31 Dec 2014, 4:33 pm

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I ran across this video (two parts) on youtube and thought it had a lot of valuable content that others might be interested in here. It's basically an experiment using 5 subjects with disorders and 5 subjects without disorders, and a panel of 3 expert psyche doctors (working collectively) have to try and determine which are which after 5 days of testing.

I think the results are very interesting, and may also have much relevance to the discussion here about the validity and exclusion of professional diagnosis.

Thanks for sharing this. It was quite interesting to watch.

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*SPOILERS* WATCH THE VIDEO BEFORE READING THIS POST

I totally had Stuart picked out as bipolar, and Kamille as having social anxiety. I was convinced that Vicki had schizophrenia, and was very curious about her thought processes during the ball test.

I got so confused about who was who, and keeping track of that during the course of the 2 hour video, that I didn’t bother to “guess” which person had what.

Also, I found it interesting that they included the Wisconsin Card Sort test as one of the exercises. This test was also administered (albeit via a computer) during my diagnostic evaluation. Apparently, I didn’t do well on it (even though I thought it was quite easy).



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01 Jan 2015, 1:44 pm

The whole experiment made it quite clear that psychiatrist can not diagnosis someone who is not showing outward signs of a disorder. If Stewart was in full blown mania it would be obvious that he had Bi Polar. Also, the lady who did poorly on the test and was said to be normal. This does not mean she does not suffer from some sort of mental illness that she has manage to live with. It was obvious to me that her memory was poor and she seemed confused easily. She may have a learning disability or the onset of dementia or was purposely doing poorly. There is defiantly something abnormal about her.

There are many people with mental disorders that have never been diagnosed. And there are those with mental disorders that seem very normal when they are receiving or had treatment. A good example is my mother. She to me is quite clearly Bi Polar, but when I mentioned this to her doctor he said as long as her symptoms are not causing her harm to her self or others she is normal. When someone is diagnosed it is because of several reasons.

1. The individual has asked for help.
2. Someone has suspected a mental health problem and has asked them to seek help.
3. The individual has been arrested for there behaviors and ordered by the court to have a psychiatrist evaluation.
4. The individual has tried to commit suicide.

Doctors are only able to diagnosis someone during the time the individual is showing signs of mental illness.

Another good example is myself. I have been suffering from severe depression for over 10 years. It has destroyed all possible relationship I have had or tried to have. The only person in my life is my mother. I live alone with 3 cats and 1 dog. My home is a complete mess. Any time off I have from work I stay in bed and browse the internet. I'm very pessimistic and dislike social interactions. I have problems with my memory and concentration. I find it very difficult to recall certain things;like peoples names or the steps to complete certain tasks. Even though I have all these problems I have maintained a full time job for 14yrs and have also worked a part time job for over a year now. People I work with would be surprised that I have and I am suffering so much. Most people just consider me rude or mean, not depressed.


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02 Jan 2015, 2:22 pm

Thanks for posting the videos.

I wish they'd tested practising diagnosticians without their knowledge, and found out how sure of themselves the ones who turned out to be wrong were.



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02 Jan 2015, 2:40 pm

You're welcome.
Yes, there are several who post here that probably have good intentions, but are married to the idea that these doctors and PHD's are able to practice an exact application of science when analyzing someone else's mind, and that the rest of us are hopelessly blinded by bias and stab wildly in the dark with speculations.

I would bet that many members here, even with other psychological disorders, practice a more disciplined and analytical scientific approach than a great many of the doctors that they have seen .
They also have the hugely significant advantage of instant access to their own lifetime of memories of their own experiences, as well as almost unlimited time to invest into the consideration process.