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04 Mar 2015, 1:47 am

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Just look a the word autism. Will, consider the phrase auto-immune disease and what happens. The body attacks it self. The 'aut' in the word autism means self. Autism could also be 'selfism', you spend more time concerning over yourself than others as compared to 'the average' person.

I mean, really, this is the CENTER, the very CORE of autism.


That is not entirely accurate, autism does not specifically mean we spend more time concerning over ourself than others, compared to the average person. The difficulties in interaction cause difficulties in reading others and interacting with them which causes one to be more closed off if that makes sense.....its not the same thing as focusing on the self vs. others, more maybe being less aware of others, but that is a byproduct of the wiring not an intentional thought process as you suggest. I think how much an individual with autism focuses on them-self varies...I myself have more issues putting other peoples needs or what I think their wants are ahead of my best interest/needs but it could be different for others.


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04 Mar 2015, 1:48 am

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"Missing something" sounds inferior, so I don't like to think of it that way. The rest of the world can enjoy doing some things that we can't so easily do and often wouldn't want to do. It's also true the other way round. The NT mind-reading circuit must be useful, I wish I had one of those.

It's easier to see AS as an impairment when I look at the non-social angle, which has nothing to do with trying to fit in or decide who makes adjustments. I feel as if my brain is missing something when I fail to keep my stuff organised, though lots of people have trouble organising their stuff. I feel I'm missing something when I find myself doing things the long way round, and when I fail to organise my work. I'm also missing a "screen it out" button for distractions and irritations such as background noise.

We have a lot of things we are better at,but at the social interactions they are great,that's their punte forte,and at this we are very bad at...I mean they can get good at techincal things through practice but for us it will never happen to be good to read social signs which i suspect happen subsconsciously.


But can you name one specific thing autistic people collectively are actually better at then neurotypicals collectively?


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04 Mar 2015, 1:51 am

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But can you name one specific thing autistic people collectively are actually better at then neurotypicals collectively?


Gathering insane amount of information about one specific topic. However, that is potential not a positive as the specific topic varies vastly to useful stuff to not so useful stuff.



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04 Mar 2015, 1:55 am

Orangez wrote:
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But can you name one specific thing autistic people collectively are actually better at then neurotypicals collectively?


Gathering insane amount of information about one specific topic. However, that is potential not a positive as the specific topic varies vastly to useful stuff to not so useful stuff.



Exactly, so that is one of those things that can be helpful in some contexts, but not so much in others....so not always a benefit necessarily. Also I can't help thinking this could partially contribute to some of the anxiety issues people on the spectrum have since its more than likely the mind will also ruminate about anxiety provoking things and potentially obsess over that as well.


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04 Mar 2015, 9:18 am

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Do you ever space out to the extent you sort of come too and realized you missed something important? I remember that happening a couple times in P.E class specifically as a kid....it was embarassing but its like I got so over-focused or something and when whatever activity we where doing ended I was still doing it totally unaware everyone else was done...imagine how 'smart' I felt after those incidents in front of other kids. Typically though its not with things that noticeable which is good, still factors into why I do not have a drivers licence though all it would take is for my mind to tune out at the wrong time and likely car accident. I have simular issues with misplacing things, difficulties with organization and such. Certainly more than just trouble fitting into 'society'....so I do not see how people see autism as not being a disability at all, but to each their own.

Yes I spaced out a lot at school after the age of 12. The teacher would explain something, and then when they said "OK that's how to do it, now look at page 27 and answer the questions," I'd come to and realise that while everybody else had processed the words, all I'd processed was the shape of the teacher's nose or something. If we had to go to a new classroom, I'd be the only one who mysteriously didn't know how to get there. I missed enrolling for an exam once because I hadn't heard there was a deadline for that, and had to wait a year to do it again. I still have the same trouble now, but I'm out of the educational system and the world of work, so these things only happen if I have to phone or meet somebody "professional" to talk about fixing a problem. I've learned to control it to some extent, so a lot of the time I can pick up enough info to get by.

I think the reluctance to see AS as a disability can be a "political" reaction to being excluded and called inferior so much. If I read stuff on AS Partners or see an Autism Speaks ad, the idea of me being disabled seems to vanish from my head.



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04 Mar 2015, 9:49 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
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"Missing something" sounds inferior, so I don't like to think of it that way. The rest of the world can enjoy doing some things that we can't so easily do and often wouldn't want to do. It's also true the other way round. The NT mind-reading circuit must be useful, I wish I had one of those. It's easier to see AS as an impairment when I look at the non-social angle, which has nothing to do with trying to fit in or decide who makes adjustments. I feel as if my brain is missing something when I fail to keep my stuff organised, though lots of people have trouble organising their stuff. I feel I'm missing something when I find myself doing things the long way round, and when I fail to organise my work. I'm also missing a "screen it out" button for distractions and irritations such as background noise.
We have a lot of things we are better at,but at the social interactions they are great,that's their punte forte,and at this we are very bad at...I mean they can get good at techincal things through practice but for us it will never happen to be good to read social signs which i suspect happen subsconsciously.
But can you name one specific thing autistic people collectively are actually better at then neurotypicals collectively?
Complaining.



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04 Mar 2015, 10:08 am

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But can you name one specific thing autistic people collectively are actually better at then neurotypicals collectively?

Complaining.

We might complain more, but I bet NTs are better at complaining effectively and getting results.



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05 Mar 2015, 7:50 am

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But they already know what they are saying by communicating with their bodies,but why the f**k dont say it loud,say it with the sound,I mean you are still saying what you want to say,so why not with your voice??


Because they inherently lack the motivation to be honest and sincere. If they don't SAY IT out loud, they can deny it, while communicating it anyway.

What we lack is the inclination to play those kinds of mind games.



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05 Mar 2015, 9:24 am

I don't think we're missing anything. I think NTs miss out on the creative world us autistics live in.


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05 Mar 2015, 9:35 am

I see the situation as analogous to PCs and Macs - NTs are PCs in that they're more popular, have more applications, and have better support; while Aspies are Macs, in that we do many things just as well as a PC (some things better, some things worse), and that working with a Mac takes someone with a little more patience and an open, flexible mind.

That and PC mice tend to have two or three buttons, while Mac mice tend to have only one (at least, the earlier versions did), thus requiring a little more finesse on the part of the user to input data just right.



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05 Mar 2015, 9:54 am

As so often, I agree with kraftiekortie: a lot of NTs miss social cues, whether unspoken or spoken, visible or merely implied, and are extremely awkward in social or professional situations. A lot of them - and this is an increasing trend - also view things purely in terms of their own needs, as if the world revolved around them. So it is not a uniquely autistic problem.

If society had a greater awareness of autism, NTs and people on the spectrum might find ways to share their individual viewpoints, a process that would be of enormously enriching for humanity in general. Raising public awareness is one of the main aims of autism organisations everywhere, and those on the spectrum and 'autistic-aware' neurotypicals can play their part in helping achieve this. Part of the work I do involves bringing artists and autistics together, because these two groups have a very similar worldview, an essential disconnect with mainstream society. Artists, too, are often regarded as 'weird', people who don't behave according to established 'norms' - and yet they make a vast contribution to the world.

So no, Aspies aren't really missing anything. What they need to do is learn to communicate their often unique way of seeing things, because this will benefit everyone.

(BTW Fnord - as a dedicated Mac user I like your analogy about PCs and Macs :D )



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05 Mar 2015, 10:04 am

It's funny you used this analogy. I just posted a thread somewhere about Aspies and pc/Mac


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