Are Autistic Men More Likely to be Misogynistic?
I don't think misogyny is a male-on-WP problem. I think autistic people, in general, are more likely to be misogynistic or misandristic. Before you start shoving #notallautistics down my throat, let me explain: The problem with us, being autistic, is that we tend to perseverate on things. So, for example, if we have a negative experience with the opposite sex, then we will focus on that, and focus on that, and focus on it until it grows out of control and becomes full blown hatred. While a neurotypical is more able to push aside the negativity that we obsess over, we can't do that as easily. Of course, maturity comes into play, and social skills, ect.
Autistics can also become misogynistic/misandristic by reading or otherwise engaging with materials that promote ideas of hatred towards any gender (and even race, religion, ect) and then obsessing over the concepts brought up in that hateful propaganda. So, it's not always about negative experience, not understanding “no means no”, or blaming other people for your own shortcomings.
My little brother, who is also on the spectrum, has become scary misogynistic. As far as I know he hasn't had any negative experience with women, and I'd know because he tells me pretty much everything. He's always got girls hanging around him, and he lucked out getting the model-esque genes in the family so not fair. But for some reason he's been spouting a lot of really hateful stuff about women. And by “some reason” I mean it's because of the content he reads online that is just straight-up misogynistic. He obsesses over it. Then he tells me (or shows me articles) all of these ideas he's been fed, and it's just...there's no arguing with it I tried, because he's obsessed.
Now, don't get me wrong, NTs can be misogynistic or misandristic or bigoted in any way. I've met plenty. They just don't have the same social barriers, and obsessive tendencies, that I think makes it more prevalent among us.
At what point does it become misogyny?
Is it denying that women are their own people with distinct personalities? Is it the sweeping generalizations that can be made of “all women” but as soon as a woman pops up and does the same it becomes #notallmen? Is it the numerous threads discussing how women can be manipulated into doing whatever it is you want them to do? Is it relegating women to objects that can be “won”? Is it combating statements like “WP L&D has a lot of misogynistic comments on it” with the ever classic deflections of: “There are misandristic women too.” as though that magically makes it okay to make misogynistic comments? Because I see all of these things on this forum.
Bitterness builds up. Such is the nature of human psychology.
So, by this logic, we don't blame say...a christian fundamentalist for murdering an openly gay man. Especially if said christian fundamentalist had a “bad experience” with a gay man or woman in the past. Because, obviously, they're only doing what comes naturally? Like a lion killing a gazelle? >.> I find this really disturbing. Everyone is responsible for their own words and actions whether it is “nature” or not.
tl:dr?
If the misogyny displayed here in L&D is indicative of levels of misogyny in the real world, or of what the average man thinks unfiltered...I think I should just stop going outside, or become an Amazon.
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autistic males are more likely to be socially deprived in conditions relating to mating and courtship. This can manifest in many ways, one of the most common being such as seeing the "haves" in a different light than themselves the "have nots".
What am I saying? are they misogynistic by being autistic? no. Is it more likely their bad experiences will show as negative emotions towards women and men in higher society? yes
who decides when it becomes misogyny . whos to decide if someone hates or not hates. complaining doesn't mean hate. I complain about my phone when it does stuff. I don't hate it. I love my phone.
it feels like saying anything negative about women is misogyny . if you say some, or most, or a lot, or in my area doesn't matter still misogyny . all americans are different independent people, yet we also all have a lot in common. so how is it not possible women can be different yet share stuff in common? most americans like hot dogs. not all, which is why most is there. hard to do but people need to read stuff and be like this person doesn't live where I live so they probably have different people who likely aren't like me, so this isn't against me.
I don't hate. I don't think I'm misogynist . though perhaps If i could hate I would be. I don't I tend to crush and make myself feel worthless in response rather than push those feeling out towards others. makes it all worse when I called sexist or accused of misogyny. all cause I say how women in my area are.
begs to question if its wrong to talk about stuff thats wrong in society how does one start to fix it? i mean most anything said will upset someone somewhere , so you shouldn't say it. so you can't fix the problem with society. that being , only solution is likely the death of those unwanted people, me included. we're just a burden to the rest of you.
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I came off as being a misogynistic here when I was singe. I made lots of post out of frustration & desperation & trying to sort things out that got interpreted as generalizing & being hateful towards women. In relaity I'm somewhat of a feminist.
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I think Autistic men are less misogynistic than NT men but can appear more due to their honesty and lack of discretion, autistic men are more likely to put Women on an unreachable pedestal then vent their frustrations that women fail to achieve the high standards we set for them, whilst being wrong this doesn't fit the definition of being misogynistic.
NT men on the other hand tend to prefer football and drinking with their friends than women, women are needed by them though in order to put their semen into. I work with lots of NT men, I would estimate more view women as a necessary evil for sexual pleasure than those who desire women on the emotional level that autistics do.
Plenty of frustrated neurotypicals also hold sexist views (have a look at the message boards over at PUA Hate or Love Shy, for instance), so it's not a typical "AS thing". A big problem is that there's an entire market that targets these frustrated guys, filling them with crap about "the friend zone" (I was friends with my girlfriend for almost half a year before we started dating), "cocky funny", negging, and so on. We are talking brainwashed and deluded people rather than genuinely bad people, I think.
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Much of it is borne out of frustration with not obtaining the "ideal mate." It is ego-driven.
This is universal, rather than a particularly "autistic" characteristic.
Alas, it is a "human" characteristic.
Yes, having seen these ideas elsewhere I can say it's not an autism thing. There's a lot of hangouts online where terrible ideas are passed around and treated as normal. I think autistic men are more likely than the general population to struggle enough to see turning to these people as appealing, but that doesn't mean they will.
Autistics can also become misogynistic/misandristic by reading or otherwise engaging with materials that promote ideas of hatred towards any gender (and even race, religion, ect) and then obsessing over the concepts brought up in that hateful propaganda. So, it's not always about negative experience, not understanding “no means no”, or blaming other people for your own shortcomings.
My little brother, who is also on the spectrum, has become scary misogynistic. As far as I know he hasn't had any negative experience with women, and I'd know because he tells me pretty much everything. He's always got girls hanging around him, and he lucked out getting the model-esque genes in the family so not fair. But for some reason he's been spouting a lot of really hateful stuff about women. And by “some reason” I mean it's because of the content he reads online that is just straight-up misogynistic. He obsesses over it. Then he tells me (or shows me articles) all of these ideas he's been fed, and it's just...there's no arguing with it I tried, because he's obsessed.
This is also an interesting possibility I hadn't considered.
As I see it, most accusations of misogynistic behavior of the sort that genuinely victimizes the woman, have to do with men in positions of power who abuse their power to intimidate the woman or take advantage of her sexually.
The problem is that very few AS men are in such a position and resent being lumped together with these men when told to undergo "sensitivity training" or lectured to by female associates on the evils of misogyny.
I think I can safely say the tendency to prefer beer and football over women or as we say in the US, "bros before hos" typifies extreme NT behavior. Ironically that seems to typify the sort of man that women are supposedly attracted to.
My first girlfriend used to lecture me constantly on how the world was in such terrible condition because men had always been in charge. However those men (Putin notwithstanding!! !) weren't Aspies.
Not sure how to conclude this rant but I hope somebody gets it.
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Makes sense to me.
What am I saying? are they misogynistic by being autistic? no. Is it more likely their bad experiences will show as negative emotions towards women and men in higher society? yes
It is the negative experience rather than autism that causes misogyny. So it's not intrinsic to autism. That's good.
I'm not sure I get what you mean by this. Specifically, honesty and indiscretion. How would this appear as misogynistic?
It is an annoying habit that some people have. Perhaps autistics moreso because of black and white thinking.
I agree. The impulse to gang up on women is exploited for commercial gain.
Oh I don't agree. Misogyny is more than rape and intimidation. It can take the form of hate speech; same with mysandry.
Otaku, please don't fill this thread with silly videos. I feel for your situation of being ill treated by women in your family, but you can't define the whole gender by this experience.
Men with autism are more likely to be systematically rejected ( more often than not rudely without explanation as I too have experienced multiple times ) and treated negatively by women, so that creates a negative or fearful image of women in many men with autism. Multiple men with a negative or fearful image of women together creates an environment of resent or verbal frustration. In reality though I haven't ever seen a person with autism act out in misogyny and I have met a lot of people with autism.
The things you read here are caused frustration and despair, you would be pissed off too if you were rejected for the 10th time and do not understand why. If this happens you need to blow off steam, and some people come to these forums to do just that. In the same way you will read a lot of frustration about other subjects on the other subforums.
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I have. It's not pretty.
Fair enough, but all to often the steam turns into unjustified gender stereotypes. Everyone experiences rejection, including autistic women.
The things you read here are caused frustration and despair, you would be pissed off too if you were rejected for the 10th time and do not understand why.
Most autistics know what it's like to be rejected repeatedly. I don't buy the whole 'oh I was abused and now I'm a misogynist' or 'my mother is a big meanie, now I hate all women' baloney. I grew up in an abusive situation that would rival any shocking tale of horror many have only seen in the movies. I was drawn to the opposite side of the planet away from family, friends, and everything else I knew in life by a narcissist. I don't hate men or generalise about them in any way. I was raised by a horribly abusive woman. I don't hate mothers or women. I was involved in a long term relationship with a very troubled woman. I feel like that took a huge chunk out of my life.
You know what all that has done to me? It's made me realise I've had a rather crap time of things on one level or another and that the crap time I've had has made me unable to choose healthy relationships effectively, so I am exploring my own issues and trying to find peace in my own life. I'm not projecting out my bitterness and anger in an online forum where everyone of the opposite sex is exposed to my abusive and hateful tirades.
There's no excuse for abusive, hateful behaviour towards any group of people. I'm sick to death of reading the threads about how awful women are here.
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