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17 Mar 2007, 3:34 am

Society is f*cked up.



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17 Mar 2007, 3:38 am

RedMage wrote:
Society is f*cked up.


Indeed



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17 Mar 2007, 3:46 am

I agree. Here at WP, I found the idea that AS might be a kind of personality, not a disability. The disability comes from intolerance and rejection and bullying and scapegoating. In my case, the 10,000 people at WP give me solid ground to stand on while I buttress my self-esteem, learn social skills, and grow the courage to use them. You and I aren't in the same experience, but given time we may well arrive, by our different routes, at the same place.



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17 Mar 2007, 4:12 am

I do have a problem with the label, but the website is great.

I long ago came to terms with being myself. It is the same as everyone does, my way is right for me.

I am not damaging the world, unless it comes within arms length. Within that small space the world runs by my rules. I have been insulted, threatened, had many things stolen, from people who claimed there was something wrong with me.

Humans do not need anymore excuses to be as they are. If you think it is open season on me, I call that an error of judgment.

I have Godlike Perfection Syndrome, GPS, I can deny you entry to heaven, and cast you into hell.

It is what I learned to survive. If kindness and understanding had worked, I would use it, but it didn't.

I am the proof of, "Let sleeping dogs lie."



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17 Mar 2007, 6:16 am

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Okay I'm starting to sort of realize that some people are helped by the label and I guess that's good for them. But I wasn't helped at all by the label. Basically, I quit leaving my house and was content with my own passions until family members said I needed to go to a doctor. I went to the doctor and they diagnosed me after some brain scans and tests and me (thinking this was some sort of true science because I take things literally to begin with) kinda lost all my passions trying to deal with this label that I'm some kinda weirdo of society. I never really noticed everybody saw me like that. I always just thought I was a somewhat intelligent, artsy-type of person who gets really passionate about things while irritating a lot of people in the process sometimes not realizing it until they blow up on me but that's another story. But after the diagnosis I felt like my personality traits were some sort of "illness" to people and it just sort of seems ridiculous especially since I worked with psychologists that start seeing you for your diagnosis and not for you as a person and a lot of other annoying things. Anyway, if it helps you then fine but I just don't see how it could the way society is right now. And I think a lot of obsessive people could take these things too far instead of just realizing we are all different, it's just an arbitrary category, and start focusing on your own strengths (b/c everybody has them if they can find them) and passions and quit worrying about what everybody else says.


It isn't just a "label". It is a way of identifying a group. The trick in this is to make it broad enough that it includes a fair number of people, but narrow enough that it could truly be its own group. Like it or not, AS DOES have a number of identifying characteristics.

How would YOU like to go throughout life without a "label"? How about you remove the one that denotes your sex, race, etc... OK, you NEED that to acheive certain goals. See where you get. Your life would fall apart.

BTW the fact that you indicate you ACQUIRED this, and list few symptoms, I don't think you have AS. You probably don't understand anyone here.

Steve



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17 Mar 2007, 6:17 am

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http://www.arachnoid.com/psychology/aspergers.php

This should make you happy


In my experience, so many women out there are like Joan that overweening narcissism is more common than uncommon in that demographic. Remember the video from Autism Speaks? There was nothing wrong with most of those kids... particularly the little girl, who was actively trying to get her mother's attention while the woman was whining to the camera about how autistic her daughter supposedly was. They're so focused on trying to seem "special" or worthy of extra consideration that even their own children become pawns to it.

To be brutally honest, I can't help but notice a similar pattern here for many people on this site. Overbearing and self-obsessed mother, absent or ineffectual father, and offspring that have been systematically prevented from learning what they need to know in order to function in adult society.



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17 Mar 2007, 6:40 am

Flagg wrote:
1. Nice job being a flamer/troll

Please share such accusations privately with me or Alex.
-Thanks.


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17 Mar 2007, 6:58 am

Yeh, have a look at 'I need to and other amusing NT disasters'

You know what, lots of things are labels.

'Hello. My name is Sighold. I can see a tree.' Just a random setence. Now, let's see what happens if we remove the labels.

'Hello. My name is. I can see a.' The setence doesn't make any sense.

Let's try another.
The classical typing setence will suffice.

ORIGINAL
The quick brown dog jumps over the lazy fox.

DELABELED.
The jumps over the.

Again, it makes no sense. Need I continue?


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17 Mar 2007, 7:57 am

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hint hint. maybe because it doesn't exist. Reality isn't as all-or-nothing as "believers" like to impose


It doesn't exist, simply because YOU don't like YOUR diagnosis? That's about the most self absorbed tripe I've ever heard. Kindly take your insecurity and put it where the sun don't shine.

Why don't you tell that to my daughter? Oh, wait - she won't be able to hear you over the screaming two hour long meltdown caused by the blender being turned on, and even if she did, you probably wouldn't know it because she'd respond with fragments of a conversation you had three months ago, with all the pronouns turned around and backwards.

Bet you'd go to Shea Stadium with a giant "Mets Suck" poster. Just the same, hope you don't mind a few dozen cups of beer thrown in your direction.



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17 Mar 2007, 8:18 am

Hazelwudi wrote:
maldoror wrote:
http://www.arachnoid.com/psychology/aspergers.php

This should make you happy


To be brutally honest, I can't help but notice a similar pattern here for many people on this site. Overbearing and self-obsessed mother, absent or ineffectual father, and offspring that have been systematically prevented from learning what they need to know in order to function in adult society.


I agree.



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17 Mar 2007, 8:25 am

If you thought you were just some quirky artist then it's unlikely you would have sought a diagnosis. Something would have driven you to do that. If you got the diagnosis, fixated on it then rejected it because you preferred the quirky artist that you were, then it's just a personal choice. Yes, many therapists try to find things that fit the AS norm instead of you personally. It's a spectrum and they probably aren't going to know all the possible combinations that can make that up. I think that would be a given. I don't think it would be very realistic to expect otherwise. They're just doing the best they can to help as many as they can. If that doesn't work for you, but being the quirky artist does, then be the quirky artist.

If you understand we're all personalities in addition to AS, then you understand we have different needs as a result. Some fulfull those needs by being part of a group. That's the needs of their personality. It's not the need of yours. It's that simple and it's nothing to get excited about. They are different than you, but then so are we all. That's what gives you artist material. Otherwise, art would be boring.



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17 Mar 2007, 8:29 am

Maybe the brain scans don't show up Aspergers because it sees the different wiring to be "normal", meaning that the brain has no malfunctions etc. The same thing happened to me with the brain scans, but I wouldn't say AS doesn't exist... or that I don't have AS, because I clearly do.



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17 Mar 2007, 8:32 am

Shleed wrote:
Maybe the brain scans don't show up Aspergers because it sees the different wiring to be "normal", meaning that the brain has no malfunctions etc. The same thing happened to me with the brain scans, but I wouldn't say AS doesn't exist... or that I don't have AS, because I clearly do.


Brain scans don't show Asperger's or Autism, they eliminate the possibilities of it being something else, like a seizure related disorder.



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17 Mar 2007, 8:46 am

I agree with you. Autism/Asperger's is a spectrum condition. There are differing degrees of ability and disability on this spectrum. I am in between NT and Asperger's, according to my online testing scores. I am very competent in my job, but I do have some social difficulties. They are comparatively mild, but still embarrassing to me.



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17 Mar 2007, 9:58 am

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I do have a problem with the label, but the website is great.

I long ago came to terms with being myself. It is the same as everyone does, my way is right for me.

I am not damaging the world, unless it comes within arms length. Within that small space the world runs by my rules. I have been insulted, threatened, had many things stolen, from people who claimed there was something wrong with me.

Humans do not need anymore excuses to be as they are. If you think it is open season on me, I call that an error of judgment.

I have Godlike Perfection Syndrome, GPS, I can deny you entry to heaven, and cast you into hell.

It is what I learned to survive. If kindness and understanding had worked, I would use it, but it didn't.

I am the proof of, "Let sleeping dogs lie."


I've been bullied and insulted by those who were "acting for my own good", guess what?
I'm still around and they are not!



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17 Mar 2007, 10:13 am

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I'm diagnosed with Asperger's after brain scans, neurologists, and tests (to my dismay) but still kinda laugh at people that see everything as "all or nothing"

The current consensus among researchers is that Asperger's syndrome and the autistic spectrum disorders in general are polygenic conditions—multiple genes interact in complex ways with environmental triggers to produce differing expressions/severities of autism. However, for the sake of simplicity, diagnosticians rely on an arbitrarily set threshold of criteria defined in the DSM-IV-TR or the ICD-10. As with many traits like height, autistic traits probably occur in a normal distribution (bell curve) across the general population with diagnosed individuals being on the extreme autistic end.

Asperger's is not real in the same sense as a particular mouse at a particular time and a particular place being real because it is an abstract concept, a syndrome. It is a label used to group observed behaviors that co-occur in the same individuals. Its genetic presence is not a simple on-off presence of one gene mutation. Debating whether Asperger's syndrome is real is like debating whether nihilism or existentialism is real: They are ideas in the mind (not to say I am a philosophical idealist rather than materialist).

By the way, if that avatar of a blond-haired woman next to some guy is a photograph of you with your boyfriend, you definitely don't look like someone with Asperger's syndrome.