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15 Apr 2015, 10:34 am

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I still have some trouble identifying my emotions, and have spent most of my life making a lot of my decisions without such information, which is probably not the best way to pursue happiness. I always assumed that the way I was feeling had little bearing on what to do, unless it was a really intense feeling that even I could spot.
I really relate to this. Im starting to believe that the most sensible decisions are those that balance facts and feelings.

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I'm not sure if I lack certain emotions because you have to feel them in order to identify them. It's like explaining how it feels to fly like a bird when your not a bird.
This is exactly what I meant.
I'm going to try this 'tuning in' until the next session, it seems to be working... I can clearly identify self-frustration and add it to my list, lol.



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15 Apr 2015, 10:57 am

Amity wrote:
Im starting to believe that the most sensible decisions are those that balance facts and feelings.

I definitely think both are necessary. I once heard an educationalist say that learning is an emotional thing. I wish I knew more about how that works. Learning does seems to get blocked if the person is stressed out.



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15 Apr 2015, 11:28 am

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For the next week I'm trying to identify my emotions on a frequent basis, the therapist I'm visiting assures me that I have them even if I don't feel them. So today I've felt anxious and content and numb. That's it. I'm curious if other people have a narrow range of emotions? Also, how do you identify a feeling that you don't know your having?


Depending on what happened that day, that doesn't seem narrow at all to me.


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15 Apr 2015, 12:20 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
Amity wrote:
Im starting to believe that the most sensible decisions are those that balance facts and feelings.

I definitely think both are necessary. I once heard an educationalist say that learning is an emotional thing. I wish I knew more about how that works. Learning does seems to get blocked if the person is stressed out.


Is this generally what you are referring to? It's from a study about 'Emotion blocks the path to learning under stereotype threat'
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Much recent research indicates that emotional processing interferes with cognitive processing under ST (Wraga et al.,2007; Krendl et al., 2008), either by directly or indirectly sapping the working memory resources needed for successful task performance (for review see Schmader et al., 2008).

These emotion-related costs appear to stem both from increased vigilance for threat-relevant information, such as signs of failure (Forbes et al., 2008), as well as counterproductive attempts to regulate the negative emotions elicited by this information, such as through rumination (Beilock et al., 2007) or emotion suppression (Johns et al., 2008). Although both vigilance and maladaptive emotion regulation may disrupt learning, they may do so through some what different cognitive mechanisms. Studies of anxious individuals sometimes find that increased vigilance for threat relevant information is followed by active avoidance of that information when it is detected, as means of regulating the anxiety it provokes (Mogg et al., 2004; Buckner et al.,2010). Indeed, studies have shown that some individuals under ST will buffer threats to self-esteem by dissociating themselves from threat-relevant information (Cohen et al.,1999).

Extending this to the present study, greater vigilance and initial sensitivity to negative feedback may undermine learning by motivating individuals to regulate their arousal by distancing themselves from the tutorial learning opportunity. In contrast, attempts to regulate ones emotional response by focusing on the response itself, through either rumination or suppression, will likely divert cognitive resources from processing task-relevant information (Richards and Gross, 2000, 2006). If this were the case, individuals may appear motivated to investigate the tutor, but their ability to deeply process the information it provided would be limited by the demands of concurrently monitoring the persistent thoughts and emotions the negative feedback elicited
https://web.stanford.edu/dept/psychology/cgi-bin/drupalm/system/file/Emotion%20Blocks%20the%20Path%20to%20Learning%20Under%20Sterotype%20Threat.pdf

Also, This link discusses 'The selective effects of emotional arousal on memory'
http://www.apa.org/science/about/psa/20 ... ousal.aspx



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15 Apr 2015, 12:37 pm

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Depending on what happened that day, that doesn't seem narrow at all to me.
That is currently almost my full range (that I can identify/am aware of) all in one day, up until recently it was just sad and numb.
What is narrow for you?



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15 Apr 2015, 2:15 pm

Amity wrote:
Hmm, does anyone have difficulty identifying their emotions?

The suggestion is that I have them, but at present can't feel them, so I have to tune into how I'm feeling on a regular basis.
This is confusing me because I don't know how to tune into something that I don't consciously feel.


Yes, I have a big problem identifying emotions. I am told that I am a very anxious person, but I have no clue what anxiety is. I have come up with a strategy to identify when I'm anxious indirectly by looking for the opposite of anxious. I know when I am relaxed and comfortable, so the less relaxed or comfort I feel, the more anxious I must be. If that makes any sense.


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15 Apr 2015, 3:39 pm

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Yes, I have a big problem identifying emotions. I am told that I am a very anxious person, but I have no clue what anxiety is. I have come up with a strategy to identify when I'm anxious indirectly by looking for the opposite of anxious. I know when I am relaxed and comfortable, so the less relaxed or comfort I feel, the more anxious I must be. If that makes any sense.

That does make sense. Using familiar feelings as a starting point with a guide like Plutchnicks model of emotions, could help to identify the opposites of the primary emotions.
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15 Apr 2015, 7:25 pm

Thanks for the links and the extract, Amity. It's rather concentrated stuff, which will take me a while to fathom, but it does look like the right kind of thing.



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These emotion-related costs appear to stem both from increased vigilance for threat-relevant information, such as signs of failure (Forbes et al., 2008), as well as counterproductive attempts to regulate the negative emotions elicited by this information, such as through rumination (Beilock et al., 2007) or emotion suppression (Johns et al., 2008). Although both vigilance and maladaptive emotion regulation may disrupt learning, they may do so through some what different cognitive mechanisms. Studies of anxious individuals sometimes find that increased vigilance for threat relevant information is followed by active avoidance of that information when it is detected, as means of regulating the anxiety it provokes (Mogg et al., 2004; Buckner et al.,2010). Indeed, studies have shown that some individuals under ST will buffer threats to self-esteem by dissociating themselves from threat-relevant information (Cohen et al.,1999).

I wondered about this recently, connected to how autistics can become so easily knowledgeable about their interests, but can't follow even simple instructions in stressful situations - we are too caught up trying to regulate and control the emotional aspects and cope with them that we can't even listen.
I also wondered if its an autistic thing to not feel the emotions themselves, but still get all the effects of them, just without knowing why. I suspect this has a lot to do with my difficulties - I don't FEEL stressed, or feel anything, but have these behaviours like avoiding or running away which seem to be a response to emotions that aren't there. It's confusing. Maybe if emotions could be identified, I would have the information to respond better.


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17 Apr 2015, 12:02 pm

C2V wrote:
Maybe if emotions could be identified, I would have the information to respond better.


I am hoping to achieve that outcome and start to break a few negative cycles. :)