I find most NT conversation irrelevant or stupid

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06 Jun 2015, 9:19 pm

I love educational documentaries, especially of scientific nature.



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06 Jun 2015, 10:52 pm

Olympiadis,

I really liked the star trek voyager episode your profile pic denotes.



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06 Jun 2015, 11:47 pm

CryosHypnoAeon wrote:
Olympiadis,

I really liked the star trek voyager episode your profile pic denotes.


Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy. I have the series on DVD.

I have several documentaries as well, including Cosmos, and The Ascent of Man.



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07 Jun 2015, 12:22 am

Im constantly in the outgroup when I do try to socialize. I feel like im intruding, like im an outsider.

I can relate to much of what you wrote. I just remind myself that they wouldnt want to hear me blab about medieval warfare. We annoy each other.

I feel like talking about Kim K is soul draining.



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07 Jun 2015, 12:28 am

Sadly, I do have a very hard time talking with most NTs. They want to talk about social things, like "OMG did you see what so-n-so wore to the party? Like, oh my word!" :?
I like talking about deeper subjects, like whether it's a good idea for me to be an organ donor, and what the ethics behind donating a comatose body to science would be. Or even just talking about history and its correlation with how different societies work today. I like understanding the functions of things, rather than just making small talk.

I irritate people with how I answer "how are you" (I answer it like they actually wanted to know the answer) and when I ask someone how they are, they're surprised when I'm genuinely interested in knowing. I ticked one person off by asking about the weather and being serious...


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07 Jun 2015, 1:25 am

CryosHypnoAeon wrote:
It gets me down often,
NTs talking about money, politics, this/that, the latest pop star, football, and the list of stupid topics never ends.

I often don't understand how they can blab for hours about these things.

And of course I get a negative reactions when I show no interest in the topic of the group.

What most NTs talk about is truly frivolous and drama-creating, for the most part.
Yes, I know many NDs here talk about frivolous stuff like unicorns, manga, their favorite toilette paper, vacuum cleaner barcodes (talk about a stereotype, I don't think most ASDs have to have such narrow interests as that, and many don't) , and what not, but at least it's a true interest and it's fun.

When NTs talk about something I can see they have no real interest in the subject/topic.
And that they're real interest, or goal, is to gain social interest or social status.
It's a machiavelian attempt (through a third party, the conversation topic) to "get in" with people,
get popular, "be somebody", and all that garbage.

I feel like I'm selling my soul if I pretend like most NTs do to pretend to have an interest in something.
Something that for me truly is uninteresting.

So I run like the plague, usually, from most conversations in public.
Which of course makes me unpopular. And I'm in the "out-group", once again.
**sigh :(

If you have ASD, do you enjoy NT-type conversations ?
There might be some of you guys out there who do.
How many of you can "hang" in a "normal" (NT) conversation ?

I'm curious to know


The Politics and news sections of WP are pretty active so spectrumits talk about these things. I was going to say I do not like the when NT's gossip but then remembered all the posts about is this person a Aspie, narcissist etc.


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07 Jun 2015, 1:39 am

For me that kind of conversation is mostly confusing and difficult. I wouldn't know how to respond in such a conversation. I think it's just a way of bonding. The contents of the conversation themselves don't matter. I also feel embarrassed when I happen to observe people engaging in that sort of thing. It's as if they were acting in a pre-scripted play or something. The exact words might be different but the overall direction of the conversation is pretty much the same most of the time. For those that know how to do it, it must be fun or something.

I like talking about food, languages (grammar, pronunciation etc) etc, but I don't have anyone to talk about them with. It's hard to find someone that enjoys talking about what you enjoy talking about. It's frustrating and sad.



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07 Jun 2015, 2:39 am

nomoretears wrote:
Im constantly in the outgroup when I do try to socialize. I feel like im intruding, like im an outsider.

I can relate to much of what you wrote. I just remind myself that they wouldnt want to hear me blab about medieval warfare. We annoy each other.
I feel like talking about Kim K is soul draining.


I find the trebuchet very interesting. The best thing since sliced bread in its time.


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Sadly, I do have a very hard time talking with most NTs. They want to talk about social things, like "OMG did you see what so-n-so wore to the party? Like, oh my word!" :?
I like talking about deeper subjects, like whether it's a good idea for me to be an organ donor, and what the ethics behind donating a comatose body to science would be. Or even just talking about history and its correlation with how different societies work today. I like understanding the functions of things, rather than just making small talk.

I irritate people with how I answer "how are you" (I answer it like they actually wanted to know the answer) and when I ask someone how they are, they're surprised when I'm genuinely interested in knowing. I ticked one person off by asking about the weather and being serious...


lol. That sounds so familiar.



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07 Jun 2015, 3:00 am

It amazes me how a snapshot of the interests of a specific, extroverted subset of the population becomes 'all NT conversation' so frequently.

No, and the division begins with introversion. Most introverts have conversation interests similar to those with ASD.


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07 Jun 2015, 3:12 am

I'm not one of those who ever feel above or superior to NTs just because I'm on the spectrum, or who feels I'm "more intelligent" than someone else. However, I have to say, I do often wonder why NTs enjoy talking about some of the things they talk about, and the way in which they talk about those things, which may not in themselves be boring per se.

I have been on the sidelines of an NT conversation and wondered what the hell they are getting out of the inanity. Not all the time, just enough to have noticed this thread topic and related to it.

It's sometimes not even the topic, but, as I've said, just the WAY they are talking about it. I can't describe what I mean. But I get what the OP is saying.



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07 Jun 2015, 4:27 pm

I can relate to alot of the things that have been written here.

To add one which happens alot to me ;

-People are talking mindlessly about nothing ( or, 'synchronising their belief-web' as i've read in a fieldguide to earthlings)
-I try to interrupt and.. yá know, place a comment or actually add something to the discussion / story..
-People continue talking about nothing
-I get irritated and try again..
-People continue talking about nothing

Then i either stop trying, or the subject has already changed by the time i get in between them to say something.
I dont know how you guys on this forum feel about it, but to me, it has always looked like

"Oh, this guy.. can you see him trying to interrupt us? He is just a 'lower-ranked guy in our group.. lets continue talking about nothing and synchronise our borg-like belief web'


But when some NT a**hole tries to interrupt and adds something, there will be a brief silence and people listen to that person instantly.



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07 Jun 2015, 4:34 pm

I can enjoy talking about baseball and nail polish as much as brains or physics.


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07 Jun 2015, 4:36 pm

I must admit tho, sometimes i try to 'connect' to this borg-like hive mind that the NT's have by trying to talk about nothing.. but i almost always fail. Not in the sense that i ask 1 question then become completely silent...

Small talk to me is like going on an date and then get to experience awkward silences every minute because you have no damn clue on what to talk about next.



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07 Jun 2015, 5:14 pm

There are some topics I enjoy talking about. But usually, the people I am with are not interested in talking about those topics. As a result, I am oftentimes quiet around most people.

Suncatcher wrote:
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-People are talking mindlessly about nothing ( or, 'synchronising their belief-web' as i've read in a fieldguide to earthlings)
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While I have read "A Field Guide to Earthlings" multiple times, I never understood this concept (of synchronizing a belief web). Why on earth would anyone want to do that?



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07 Jun 2015, 6:21 pm

I can hang with the best of them, especially when it's a topic I'm interested in. I recently had one of my bosses refer to me as a Master of Conversation - as his chief complaint about my work is the occasional excessive talking, and my innate ability to get others talking to me.. I value his constructive criticism and strive to do a better job of STFU, but I also take it as a compliment and think that I can use these conversation skills to my advantage in future sales/business roles.

I LIKE talking about money or politics.. don't care about professional sports one iota, though. Athleticism & activity, yeah sure, but not pro team sports - boooooring.

Sometimes I engage in the typical NT convo's solely for the purpose of socializing and being "in," and it doesn't bother me one bit - because I want to be able to do it ever better, as I acknowledge that being able to do it well, when appropriate, is a part of the process to social, business & financial success. I just don't have much of anything to say about pop culture crap like the kardashians.. but neither do NT's who value their time & money. Spend some time around truly successful people and you'll see they transcend all of that time wasting crap. The only typically NT stuff they chat about that I couldn't care less about are professional sports.


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