Should autistic s be able to euthanize themselves ?

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13 Jun 2015, 9:53 am

Everyone who is mentally competent should be allowed to choose when and if they themselves die. Your body should be your own and you should decide what you want to do with it. If you are not allowed to die, who's body really is it? Someone else's religion should have absolutely no bearing on what you can do with your body or life.



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13 Jun 2015, 10:11 am

Society is so f##ked up.
We'll force people (mostly men) to live in unnatural poverty, rejected and dejected, in a zombie-like state of existence until they "somehow" die, but we won't give them the dignity and the right to die a quick, dignified, painless death at the time of their choosing.

We are the monsters on this planet, not those needing/wanting help with suicide.

Getting help with suicide avoids the nightmare of living through a failed suicide. Of course society never talks about that either.



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13 Jun 2015, 10:23 am

It used to bother me that I can't drive but nowadays I don't really care. Once I moved to a city with public transportation cars no longer seemed like a necessity. Cars seem like money pits and huge liabilities and I don't envy people who have to find parking space in a crowded city. I'd just as soon not have one.

When I was younger (and lived in a rural area) it seemed like my life would end if I couldn't learn to drive. And many people seemed to think I would never be an adult if I didn't go through this rite of passage. The thing is though, I was wrong and they were wrong too. Life goes on, you find other ways of coping (I moved to a city) and you realize that someone else's rite of passage doesn't really mean that much and that you can do things your own way.



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13 Jun 2015, 10:46 am

When I was a teenager I was thinking "people like me should be killed in early childhood" and I was often asking my parents why they didn't kill me when I was a kid. I was also planning to kill myself as soon as I hit 18 year old and be forced to stop going to school, move out of my house and find a job.

Now I am 26 year old and while I still sort of regret I was not killed as a young kid I don't want to be killed anymore. It's too late now. I know I am a trash human, I need support and cannot find a job or get into a relationship. But I am allowed to live in my parents house, keep my routine and I have hope of finding a job and getting in a relationship in some point in the future so I don't want to end my life anymore. If I gave up now it would mean all my struggles so far were for nothing.
I've decided to live so I will live the best I can. Maybe I will be successful adult at some point. I don't mind living with ASD traits - I believe I could deal with all my struggles if only my anxiety and some stupid beliefs disappeared (such as "people will abandon you if you show them you are weak so you must pretend to be strong, you have to deal with everything yourself, you don't deserve support, your needs are invalid, if you tell them what you need they will think you are being unreasonable and selfish").



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14 Jun 2015, 9:25 am

Noca wrote:
Everyone who is mentally competent should be allowed to choose when and if they themselves die. Your body should be your own and you should decide what you want to do with it.


Try selling your organs in the US and see what happens. We have decided that certain parts of your body are not your own.



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14 Jun 2015, 9:31 am

Euthanasia is suicide and a violation of the Hippocratic oath, I don't believe in state sanctioned killings.



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14 Jun 2015, 1:06 pm

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No of course not. I know there is so much pain but I found that 16-31 are the worse years. After that it got a lot easier (a lot). So I would just hang on, things can get a lot better.

You know there's nothing invalid about your reality when compared to other people. Mindfulness practice is incredible and can help people to understand the nature of our reality.


I'm curious. What happened to you at 31 which made things better?



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15 Jun 2015, 9:11 am

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No. Just no. We weren't put on this planet to end our lives. Theres a reason for why we are here. Suicide is never the answer. It may be hard but thats how life is for all of us, autistic or non-autistic. There are many people here that are willing to help you on this planet. It may be hard to see that but If you reach out, you will find many that will be there to guide you. Trust me, the hardships of Autism are worth it in the end and you will be glad. People with low functioning Autism understand to a certain degree and Im sure they wouldn't give their life for anything else. None of us are set for failure but the opposite. I was someone diagnosed in middle school which was a big deal because people said a latter diagnosis means he wont be able to function well or anything. Well im 23 years old now and look at where im at. I moved out at 18, got a job, improved on many skills rapidly, had many relationships, and Im now perusing a career in acting and vocal arts. Its hard when you dont have the confidence in yourself to achieve what you want. When you give confidence in yourself then you become a much happier person and end up doing things you didnt think you could do. You can drive a car if you want to and you believe you can do it. Just work at it. I ended up getting the hang of driving after about a year and a half with practice and that wasnt practicing non stop, it was about once every month or two. Never give up. Its when you give up that you set yourself for failure but even if you do give up, you still can come back from it and there always will be people to help you back on your feet.



Yeah, I'll go with this.

The moment you give up or start thinking that you cant do it (whatever "it" is) is the moment that, indeed, you lose the ability to do it or accomplish it.

I've had alot of stupid in my life, and things I've had trouble doing. But I'm *really* stubborn and hate to lose, so I bloody well just keep smashing at any given problem until the damn thing is whittled down by sheer persistance/force. If I'm having trouble learning something because of the autism? Screw that. I'LL BLOODY WELL LEARN IT ANYWAY.

This goes for what people think of you too. Used to let this bug me a bit too much, waaaaaayyyyyy back when. At some point, I declared this to be stupid. If someone thinks I'm strange or whatever? Well, TOUGH. I'm going to keep doing whatever damn weird thing I'm doing, and they can take a long walk off a short edge of a volcano. If someone is willing to judge me on something like that... frankly, they are not worth my time ANYWAY. I dont want to have to get to know people like that.

I'm still a very negative individual, as is my nature; this fact will never change. But I was taught that positive thinking (of the sort related to getting/achieving things you want, or confidence in general) was important and could change some stuff. I used to believe otherwise, but suddenly found that it was actually true... and it helped alot.

Just dont give up, is what I say.



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15 Jun 2015, 10:06 am

I disagree with the idea that there is something inherent in autism that makes autistic lives worth less than other lives, especially for those living them.

However, I think euthanasia should be an option for everyone who does not have an untreated disorder causing suicidal impulses. There should be some mechanism for people who simply do not want to live longer which can make the process of death as peaceful and least harmful to those around them as possible, but I think it has to be a fully realized decision.

I think as medical technology improves and continues to extend human life far beyond the natural limits this is going to become more and more of an issue. I often come across articles about age extension and the end of natural mortality--ie dying from old age, but without mortality we will face a tyranny of the aged monopolizing resources as the population continues to grow (unless population controls like universal implanted birth control are put in place) and there is less for everyone and less opportunity for younger citizens to find positions or create personal wealth.

When mortality increasingly occurs only through accident, violence or personal action, the choice to end ones own life on one's own terms becomes as important a right as the right to live one own life.



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15 Jun 2015, 11:25 am

Yes... but only if they have a terminal illness.

I was reading a collection of Sir Terry Pratchett's non-fiction this morning. I was already convinced of the need for legal euthanasia. Hard to see how anyone except the most religious could object after reading that. It isn't "state-sponsored killing" or anything that dramatic, it's just giving people prescriptions for the drugs they need to kill themselves peacefully so they can retain control and die with dignity. A large proportion never actually use their prescription, but having the option there stops them from having to commit a brutal suicide whilst they still can.

People with depression or anxiety (but no "physical" illness)? No, we shouldn't help them kill themselves (but equally, punishing them if they do attempt it is silly). These illnesses can and are successfully treated all the time.

OP: your problem is not your autism, it is the psychological suffering. Although it may seem bleak, it will not last forever. Speak to a doctor - you can get therapy or pills.



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15 Jun 2015, 3:04 pm

sAMY wrote:
Being able to euthanize yourself is legal in 3 countrys and just recently they started letting those with terminal illness's in the usa euthanize them self's.


I feel we should have the right just as those with terminal illness's, we're forever set up for failure and those with low functioning autism have it real bad and will probably never even be able to understand just how distorted their reality is.


The great majority of autistic s can't even drive a car let alone act appropriately and are prone to violent outbursts or sexual abuse, some of these autistic's are aware of their faults and can do nothing to stop it .


Not only that most of us will never be happy or at least to a point that is normal.


I would really be sad to see this allowed/happen!
I feel it would be a complete failure on society if people feel the need to euthanize, but I guess suicides are already happening.
I'd be more keen to address these problems. I don't have Autism though, but I do have ADHD. I would be really sad to see that happening for us.
But if it was to happen it should be an option for everyone I think.

Also, who's to say that the autism world is distorted? What if it's not? You guys filter less information than NT brains and have a tendency to see things as they really are.

People might find this tedtalk really interesting: Do we see reality as it really is?
https://www.ted.com/talks/donald_hoffma ... y_as_it_is



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15 Jun 2015, 5:14 pm

No, because each life is worth living.


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15 Jun 2015, 6:01 pm

Well if one really wants to put an end to it...there is no law that can stop it. Either way there certainly are struggles with having autism and the existence of co-morbid disorders can make things even more difficult, but that doesn't mean there is no possible way to find any relief or enjoyment. Some days are worse than others, but I still want to experience life for the most part.

I have to say though a lot of that does sound rather ignorant, I am not prone to violent outbursts and in fact it does not seem most autistic people are. Maybe you are referring to meltdowns? though that's not really the same thing as a violent outburst rather in some cases they might hit/kick someone unintentionally cause they are freaking out that seems more likely than your idea that we're all prone to violence. And sexual abuse? we're all rapists now? Also maybe what do you mean lower functioning autistics don't even know how distorted their reality is? I've heard from plenty of them hear who seem to have quite a good grasp on their reality.

And what is normal, why should I care? And I've been suicidal even have attempted suicide when things have gotten really tough...I certainly don't need the state encouraging it just because I may not be able to drive, or have a perfectly normal little life.


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15 Jun 2015, 6:09 pm

sAMY wrote:
How is extreme psychological pain everyday any different than extreme physical pain ?

Sure it won't result in death but is it really anyway to live? Why shouldn't we offer these people a dignified way to die?

Sure its not terminal but it will last till death .


It has a much more likely chance of improving...so one with autism can have improved quality of life. Sure psychological pain isn't any less worse, but its not as final. I mean like the end stage cancer that is going to kill the person regardless puts them in extreme physical pain and is killing them already...so euthanasia allows them a more peaceful passing than suffering to death. Autism doesn't kill you...Also if autism was considered a condition euthanasia is valid for what sort of help would they offer to autistics 'hey you're struggling well we can help you end your life'....I guess than there would be no need for accomidations and all the taxpayers can be richer :roll:


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15 Jun 2015, 6:10 pm

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I think every adult should be able to file for euthanasia, be required to have professional counseling and wait 6 months. If they still want to leave this planet, I believe they should have the right to be put to sleep.


You mean killed, if they have to use the term 'getting put to sleep' they probably should not be allowed euthanasia.


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15 Jun 2015, 6:15 pm

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I also don't think that we should stop people in prison who try to kill themselves from doing it. I think death would be preferable to living the rest of your life in a maximum security prison, and it would save the taxpayers some money.



The trouble with that is its pretty much out in the open prison is serving the purpose of warehousing mentally ill, many of the prison population have severe mental illnesses and face abuse from fellow prisnors not to mention the guards. There are also lots of people in prison for crap like non-violent drug offenses, children charged as adults and of course lots and lots of abuse even sexual abuse. All that should change rather than just letting these terrible conditions persist and just letting them kill themselves to save the taxpayers a few bucks. Also though not everyone in prison is in maximum security for the rest of their life.


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