Do You Hate ABA?
Care to share some links? I'd much rather go to the source and read for myself than have a - with all due respect - "random internet stranger" such as yourself check things out and report back.
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Father of 2 children diagnosed with ASD, and 2 more who have not been evaluated.
When I first started working with her, she had a small functional vocabulary - she could ask for things like this "[item] please." and could name locations of objects (Where is [item]? da box). Additionally, she was very selective in where and for whom she'd use her words, preferring to push people out of the way to get what she wanted.
Now she can use complete, and even complex, sentences. She knows pronouns, basic tenses (past, present, future), follows multi-step directions, and is able to tie her shoes. She is beginning to understand give-take situations and be able to verbalize what is occurring.
She rarely makes eye contact. I do not force it. Sometimes I make requests that she look at my hands or specific items for tasks requiring her to respond according to what I've done/where I've put something. She stims frequently during our sessions, fluttering her hands in front of her face and vocal stims are preferred. I let her do so as needed. Pure stim time is occasionally used as a reinforcer when she can do that without me asking her anything. Otherwise, she completes the tasks while or in between stimming (she stops voluntarily/without my request). I use my judgment for when stimming is necessary for her to focus and when it is a distraction. If it's a distraction, I ask her to stop until she completes the task(s).
Finally, she likes me. I can tell because she smiles when I come. She will lean against me sometimes. She will turn off her tablet/computer of her own volition when I come. The biggest indicator that she likes me is that she is not selective with her words around me; she will speak to me frequently without prompting.
The main goal of ABA for her is to improve her communication skills and independence, not to make her normal.
My experience receiving ABA while less structured and the focus of the content was different, was quite similar to what I do with her. My ABA was more focused on social skills and appropriate behaviors. But the format was similar. Positive reinforcers for completed tasks/appropriate behaviors and neutral responses to incorrectly completed tasks - no aversives (when it was used as it was supposed to be; my mother occasionally resorted to aversives when my behavior embarrassed her). Commonly, incorrect responses/behaviors were ignored then the correct response/behavior was prompted. A reinforcer was given when I demonstrated the appropriate behavior. Reinforcers were primarily verbal praise and sometimes desired objects like candy or books. While my communication/social skills and independence are greatly improved from when I was younger due to ABA, I am still clearly autistic. I stim and I experience sensory overload (and rarely, meltdowns). I am just better at coping with things like large crowds and too many noises and unexpected changes.
Overall, ABA has had a positive effect on me and on the 12 year old with whom I work. When used correctly, it is a very good method to improve communication skills and independence.
However, I do realize it can be misused. I mentioned my mother using aversives when I embarrassed her with my behavior. Blatant misuse of ABA there. What she did did not increase my appropriate behaviors or even reduce the undesired behavior. It only served to teach me not to do it around her. I still did those embarrassing behaviors like stimming as frequently as I always had, I just spent more time out of her presence in order to fulfill my need to stim. The JRC blatantly misuses ABA and yet claims that its way is the only way. Aversives do not educate. At best, they train like a circus lion. More often, aversives just create fear and fear leads to more maladaptive behaviors like SIB and aggression towards others.
ABA should be used to teach and to guide, not to force compliance through scare tactics.
This sounds like a good approach.
My two-year-old started ABA a few months ago, so this is a topic quite near to my heart. Of course, I have questions about the methods. I don't want my kid to turn into a ABA robot, programmed to respond in certain "acceptable" ways on demand. That said, he's been in the program for about 10 weeks, and can already make choices by pointing, turn and listen when his name is called, and he has improved a little bit at making transitions from one object or activity to the next. Are things like these hurting him in any way? Should I instead have continued basically without any real way of communicating with him? Overall I think it has been quite helpful so far, but I am worried about how long these results will last. Once they stop focusing on pointing or responding to his name, will these skills regress?
I do want to clear up a misconception that I believe is a bit unfair. Therapists for people on the spectrum seem to have a reputation as being in it for the money, to make a quick buck. They are looked at somewhat as the enemy, and often thought of as doing more harm than good, and having an overall uncaring attitude. In my experience, this characterization couldn't be more wrong. I may have just gotten lucky, but every therapist, every employee of the therapy companies we have worked with, and there have been many, very clearly have the desire to help and make a difference people's lives as their #1 goal. Many are very young, and perhaps have an ultimate goal of becoming a doctor or something like this, but everyone we have come in contact with really enjoys what they do and cares deeply for the people they work with and the tasks they are trying to accomplish.
I personally wouldn't have chosen ABA for my son if it wasn't the chosen Medicaid therapy. I would have opted for the Early Denver Model or Floortime. My son is such a playful and happy kid, I just think these would fit him much better, and I'm trying to learn how to implement these at home.
I'm really interested in a study the University of Washington is doing. We were called to participate, but we would have needed to end all of his other therapies, and we really like his current team and are seeing results, so we decided to continue on our current path. Anyways, UW is conducting a study that has three groups: ABA, Early Denver Model, anddiscrete trials. Of these groups, half the kids in each group will get 3 hours of therapy per day, the other half will get five hours per day, I believe for one year. All kids must be under age three by the time they start. They are calling it the Tadpole study if anybody is interested in following it. We're really in the age of autism awareness, and I think studies like these popping up everywhere are really going to be able potentially improve the quality of life for a lot of people. The curtain is being unveiled. Can you imagine how much we are going to know about autism ten years from now? I'm pretty optimistic. Thanks for your time and efforts!
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I haven't had the therapy, myself----and, can only respond with the knowledge, gained, from being an Aspie, and what I've read about it.....
I feel it has pros and cons. I feel that, in SOME ways, if parents would just do their job with disciplining their child / teaching their child responsibility for their actions, etc., ABA wouldn't be needed----BUT, in regard to a parent with a severely autistic child, I can TOTALLY understand their being stretched, beyond belief, with all the worries, anxieties, extra work, etc.
PRO: Kids learn the needed social / behavioral skills, etc., through repetition----and, I feel that's the BEST way / the way MOST, learn.
I think a con is when parents use ABA, like so many other "tools" (ie. pre-school, pre-K----pre, pre, pre), to, seemingly get a break from the child, get the kid out of their hair, or whatever----BUT, parents DO have to work, etc.
I feel that some of these counselors can be more of a hindrance, than a help, because they seem to want to lump ALL children into some category----categories that they have read-about in a book----and, as I always say: "Life ain't IN a book!" When a counselor OBSERVES and LISTENS, and then uses what they've read / learned, then the chances are better, that they'll be of-help; but, too many of them don't do that, and only make a "clinical" diagnosis, as opposed to a "gut-feeling" diagnosis (well though-out / analyzed diagnosis, in addition to, as I said, what they've learned).
As a side note: I don't believe in the practice of people saying "Yes, ma'am" / "Yes, sir", or, for instance, "Little Man", to a child. I believe that that can give a child a swelled head, and then they might expect EVERYBODY to be giving them something, for whatever they do. I feel a child needs to be taught that they need to EARN respect----and, they don't just RECEIVE it, for showing-up to a counseling session, for instance. Also, then when they go home and Mommy and Daddy don't say those things, they could end-up resenting Mommy and Daddy----thinking, "My COUNSELOR thinks I'm the greatness thing, walking, why don't YOU?".
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I miss the ABA.
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Kinda, yeah. The Utah Stars were ABA champions in the early 1970s, but, quickly fizzled along with the league. A lot of the Stars players still live here. After a few years, automobile magnate Larry Miller bought the New Orleans Jazz and renamed them the Utah Jazz. He grew up going to Stars games with his family and, as the wealthy do, he bought one of his childhood memories. Of course, the Jazz was worthless for the first few years and sold about 112 tickets to its home games. Hehe.
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Diagnosed in 2015 with ASD Level 1 by the University of Utah Health Care Autism Spectrum Disorder Clinic using the ADOS-2 Module 4 assessment instrument [11/30] -- Screened in 2014 with ASD by using the University of Cambridge Autism Research Centre AQ (Adult) [43/50]; EQ-60 for adults [11/80]; FQ [43/135]; SQ (Adult) [130/150] self-reported screening inventories -- Assessed since 1978 with an estimated IQ [≈145] by several clinicians -- Contact on WrongPlanet.net by private message (PM)
I think a con is when parents use ABA, like so many other "tools" (ie. pre-school, pre-K----pre, pre, pre), to, seemingly get a break from the child, get the kid out of their hair, or whatever----BUT, parents DO have to work, etc.
I guess some people can misuse ABA. I feel the same about school too. Parents will send their kids who are profoundly disabled (IQ is real low range where they function like an infant or toddler) off to school just to get them off their backs so they wouldn't have to deal with them because I can't see what is the point in them of going. With other disabled kids who function at higher ranges, I see it as "free" therapy because the teachers are working with their skills like cooking or cleaning or hanging up a jacket or following directions, any independent skills.
But parents have to remember they also have to reinforce therapy too themselves at home and not have the specialists do all the work. It's the same with normal kids too about skills they have to learn rather it's reading and writing an motor skills, etc. and not have the teachers do it all.
Also I never sent my kid to school to get him off my back, I did it so he can learn things and learn skills and how to socialize and work on his language. It's good for his development. But I have felt at times schools are used at day cares by parents but it's also the law they have to attend unless they are home schooled.
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Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed and ASD lv 1.
Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.
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