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30 Mar 2007, 1:09 am

I can't even kill bugs. I will rescue them if they are drowning.



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30 Mar 2007, 1:27 am

I really dont like the name of this thread. It makes me think 'aspies, oh yeah, they torture animals'. And what you describe in the first post isnt torture anyway. Personally aspies are less likely to do that behaviour, though guilt of producing any harm of any kind in a being they love might push them to think of themselves as torturers.

But there are people in this world who do real torture, and I sure hope its never one of us.


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30 Mar 2007, 2:33 am

In many ways it's worse to harm a pet than an adult person, I think, because many pets (dogs especially) are blindly obedient and by hurting them you are breaking their trust. Their natural tendency is to be friendly and faithful and trusting, in the same way as young children are friendly, faithful and trusting. Why pollute this with anger and cynicism? Not only will the dog be hurt, it'll also be very confused and might stop trusting people, and that's very hard to undo. Would you like a passive/aggressive dog that's scared of everyone and defensive the whole time? Could you cope with the knowledge that you've taken away your dog's sense of fun?

I'd suggest either taking up a sport where you can work off your anger (it doesn't have to be a fighting sport - smashing a tennis ball or shuttlecock can be very satisfying!) or finding a way to save up your anger and channel it into a good cause. Join a pressure group or some such organisation where you can use up all that surplus energy fighting for something you believe in.

P.S. It's a good sign that you have recognised this as a problem, and had the courage to raise it. Good luck in sorting things out.


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30 Mar 2007, 3:42 am

Sometimes I tortured myself



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30 Mar 2007, 3:50 am

:( Please don't hit your dog!


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30 Mar 2007, 4:23 am

i remember when i was a child....

i was happily dissecting a Garden Snail (i wanted to see what they had under their shell, not out of a desire to hurt.... just curious), half way through my head felt like a train had hit it.....actually it was my stepfathers fist, he then proceeded to beat me up for torturing a poor defensless snail...

personally i didnt realise the meaness of what i was doing, the way i saw it was i had seen snails without shells (Slugs) and thought it'd be just as happy like that...i was surprised with what i discovered tho.


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30 Mar 2007, 5:16 am

my sister harasses the family cat daily.. I don't think she has AS though. It seems like she has ADD or something



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30 Mar 2007, 5:27 am

No torture, but when I had a rabbit at christmas I made it pull a small sleigh.



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30 Mar 2007, 5:51 am

I bother my terrier cross, Oliver, occasionally--tugging very lightly on his beard, rolling him over, that sort of thing--but to be fair, he gets to mouth me back then, and if he moves off I don't follow him, and there's always quite a bit of petting mixed in (ex. if I roll him over, I scratch his belly a bit; if I tug a bit at his beard, I'll scratch behind his ears in a moment). It's a bit of a game with us. *shrugs* If I get very upset, I tend to chase him round the house, not hit him, which he absolutely loves, and it works to work off my energy as well. Or play tug-of-war; that's satisfying to both of us as well (even if he recognizes the futility of the exercise--I'm three times his weight--and tends to just lie down and let me drag him round the house). If you're going to work off frustration with Fido, figure out a way to do it that's fun for the dog as well--rough play is, to my mind, much more satisfying than hitting. Just make sure the dog has very good bite inhibition if you go that route.

I hugged too tightly too when I was little. Then I realized that I was driving the JRTs I grew up with to not want to be around me (understandably), and realized that stuffed animals are better to hug tightly and dogs are better to snuggle with or lean on. :) I like using Oliver's belly as a pillow occasionally, for example. (He's about forty pounds; I'd never do that with a smaller dog, and he doesn't seem to mind.) Dogs hate hugs, actually, so although I like giving them, I always scratch Oliver's back (which is his favorite spot) when I do so, which makes them more palatable to him, and I never hug him tightly.

If you aren't actually hurting the dog--punching, but pulling it so that you're just touching him, not actually doing anything--I don't see much harm in it. The only effect I can see to that is that you'd desensitize the dog to sudden quick movement, and that's not really a bad thing, especially with a nervous dog. :)

Other outlets are also good. As sociable_hermit suggested, taking up another sport might be a good idea so that you aren't keeping the dog as your only outlet for your energy.


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30 Mar 2007, 6:33 am

Anyone that hurts an animal deserves to be trapped in a metre by metre dark dungeon for the rest of their life.



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30 Mar 2007, 7:47 am

Hearing stories of other people hurting animals is extremely painful. Those stories haunt me. I rescue anything in distress or in danger.


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30 Mar 2007, 7:50 am

Clueless_Rhino wrote:
Hearing stories of other people hurting animals is extremely painful. Those stories haunt me. .


They do. They actually physically hurt me, too. I get this buring anger in my heart filled with despair, hate and helplessness.



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30 Mar 2007, 8:28 am

hale_bopp wrote:
Clueless_Rhino wrote:
Hearing stories of other people hurting animals is extremely painful. Those stories haunt me. .


They do. They actually physically hurt me, too. I get this buring anger in my heart filled with despair, hate and helplessness.

me too. :(


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30 Mar 2007, 9:01 am

I am against any form of animal abuse, neglect, etc. There was a case in my hometown of two little creeps who killed a little girl's cat. Their father was a real creep too, saying, "It's just a cat." I'm sure they've escalated to killing people by now.

There are many people here who just don't take care of their animals. I take better care of my feral cats than most people take care of their housecats. Our house is "Cat Central Station" because they know they will get some care and attention here.



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30 Mar 2007, 12:28 pm

Yesterday while I was taking a shower I saw a silver fish and decided to play with it in the water and drown it. But I actually felt sad about it as I was holding it's still body. I wanted it to come back to life. So I got aout og the shower and dried it off and put it on the counter. I don't think it's alive anymore. That was truely the first time I have felt sad about killing an animal. I used to do it all the time like roast rolly pollys with a magnafying glass, dystroy ant hills, feed my sea monkys to my betta fish. And once I crossed the line and killed my hamster. It had a tumor and was about to die soon so i did it a favor and broke it's neck. I wasn't feeling good at the time so I call it suicide by proxy.


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30 Mar 2007, 1:13 pm

I wouldn't have to torture them if they would just tell me what I need to know about the bomb! Dammit! We're out of time!