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05 Jul 2015, 11:16 am

I don't really hear it except on the internet but that's because I live in the UK.


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05 Jul 2015, 11:20 am

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Yes. And the usage of the term "autism" as a pejorative is also getting on my last nerve.


Yes, this is becoming common now. During the recent UK election campaign, Rupert Murdoch and the right-wing press 'accused' the Labour leader, Ed Miliband, of being autistic, as if it were a crime. This was taken up by some Conservative politicians keen to score political points. The repugnant British journalist, Katie Hopkins, regularly uses 'being on the spectrum' as an insult.

Luckily, because of pronunciation differences in the UK (we say 'arse' not 'ass'), we don't get the crude jokes about 'a**burgers' - which is in any case incorrect, since Hans Asperger's name should be pronounced as in the Austrian-German, i.e.: something like 'Aspbairger'.


Eugh I didn't know that! Wtf. But I suppose most people know Katie Hopkins is full of hot air. Most of the country do not support the Conservatives. I swear the GE was a farce!


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05 Jul 2015, 11:40 am

"They call it ass-burgers because I have a deeelicious butt!"

I'd never say this, but it would be hilarious if someone did. :)


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05 Jul 2015, 12:05 pm

Ah the it was funny, now its just redundant syndrome.....though to be quite honest I don't really hear joking about that very often. The last time was some funny video on youtube about a cop with 'a** burgers' who pulled someone over and offered them one of the burgers at some point but that was like a year ago.


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05 Jul 2015, 12:07 pm

HighLlama wrote:
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which is in any case incorrect, since Hans Asperger's name should be pronounced as in the Austrian-German, i.e.: something like 'Aspbairger'.


That would probably be (almost) ideal, except then certain people would mock you for trying to use the correct pronunciation. Not that their opinions matter.


Or it would end up like the newish Pink Panther with Steve Martin where he cannot say hamburger....except trying to say aspbairger.


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05 Jul 2015, 6:02 pm

I first saw the Ass burgers joke used in an episode of Becker back in the early 2000's. Though I'm sure the South Park episode drew more attention from a younger crowd. I'd heard of it before but didn't know what is was at the time. Little did I know that I'd be diagnosed with it many years later. I have a good sense of humor so it doesn't bother me at all.


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05 Jul 2015, 11:21 pm

Last year on WP I saw many posts from people dissociating themselves from Aspergers in part or totally because of Assburgers. It was extremely heartbreaking and frustrating that so many of my fellow Aspie-Autistics were internalizing this bullying. Thankfully either because most of the people who were going successfully bullied by this tactic have been already or just there are different members this it is rarely an issue this year. But because of this the word does make me angry.


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06 Jul 2015, 5:31 pm

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It's hard to talk about this without swearing, as the joke is in itself a swear, but I'll try.

Anyone else utterly sick to death of the "***burgers" joke? It started with that South Park episode (that admittedly I haven't watched) which, as far as I can tell, wasn't actually even aimed at making fun of Asperger's in and of itself, but now all I ever hear from people is it being called that.

I'm not someone easily offended, and I genuinely found the joke pretty funny... the first time. But people WON'T STOP USING IT and they think they're so clever. This flippin' malapropism is making me want to tear my ears off. Anyone else completely sick of it?


Try a little sarcasm. If they crack the buttburger joke (which I havent actually heard) just say "WOW! What a kneeslapper! That's only the billionth time I've heard that!"



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07 Jul 2015, 9:46 pm

I live in province of Québec where we speak French so "burger de cul" doesn't sound at all like asperger's :mrgreen:



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07 Jul 2015, 9:51 pm

From what I've heard? Never. Only with the resource called the internet, I came to learn about it.
Also someone probably mentioned this but:
Aspergers - AUS - PERR - GU;airs. (totally butchering phonetic alphabet)


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08 Jul 2015, 5:49 am

Speaking of correct pronunciations, there's another wrinkle to that in the UK, where I've noticed that a lot of people aren't aware that the "G" is a "hard G," so they pronounce it "asperjers," with a soft g or "J" sound.

I know someone who is studying to be a counselor/social clinical worker, and she is well educated, well read, is actually an editor in her "day job" and takes a wide ranging interest in all aspect of psychology and psychiatry, yet even she keeps say soft-G "asperjers." I'm saying the hard g version to her....but eventually when talking to her I start saying "asperjers" too......... :(

So many people seem to make this mistake that I start saying it that way too when talking to them.



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08 Jul 2015, 9:09 am

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Speaking of correct pronunciations, there's another wrinkle to that in the UK, where I've noticed that a lot of people aren't aware that the "G" is a "hard G," so they pronounce it "asperjers," with a soft g or "J" sound.

I know someone who is studying to be a counselor/social clinical worker, and she is well educated, well read, is actually an editor in her "day job" and takes a wide ranging interest in all aspect of psychology and psychiatry, yet even she keeps say soft-G "asperjers." I'm saying the hard g version to her....but eventually when talking to her I start saying "asperjers" too......... :(

So many people seem to make this mistake that I start saying it that way too when talking to them.


Yes! Am an American, and I heard a recording of a British guy saying "asperJers" and it drove me nuts. But apparently both pronunciations are considered correct in Britain (as ridiculous as that sounds).

In Dr. Hans Asperger's native German both his name, and the name of the condition named after him, are always pronounced with the G is in "hamburger".

But here is the thing: you COULD make a case for the J sound being correct when speaking in English because the word 'asperger' predated the discovery of the medical condition by centuries.

To "asperg" is to "sprinkle holy water in a ritual in a Catholic church". The person doing the sprinkling is "an asperger". In German it's also pronounced with G as in hamburger. But in English the word for the person sprinkling the holy water is pronounced "asperJer". So one could claim that "asperjers" is a correct Anglicization of the name for a condition named after a guy who was himself named after his ancestor (who apparently sprinkled water in Catholic rituals).



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08 Jul 2015, 9:54 am

That's very interesting background history, naturalplastic!

Also interesting is that both pronunciations are acceptable in the UK -- that irks me a little, as I have a habit of trying to respect an original pronunciation when it's the case of someone's actual name.

But I guess it also comes under the heading of Anglicization -- which of course is nothing new -- for example, "herb" in the UK pronounced like the name Herb, with the "h" sound! And "garridge" for garage.

Even though that one bothers me too! :lol: As does the way some say Barack Obama's name.



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08 Jul 2015, 10:00 am

BirdInFlight wrote:
"herb" in the UK pronounced like the name Herb, with the "h" sound! And "garridge" for garage.

Wait what? 8O Is that... not the right pronunciation? How else would you say "herb"? And "garage"? I say "garridge", what's wrong with that? :?



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08 Jul 2015, 10:01 am

I've never heard an "alternative" pronunciation of Obama's name.



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08 Jul 2015, 10:22 am

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I've never heard an "alternative" pronunciation of Obama's name.


The Obama part is fine, it's "Barack" that gets mangled quite a bit in the UK, I've noticed. There are news anchors who say "barrack" as in the way one would say "Army barracks." Army barrack Obama.

Or the closest rhyme I can think of is "hammock" -- "There's a hammock set up between those trees." Hammock Obama!

Not many UK people seem to say it the way he himself says it, something more akin to "buh-RAHk" with the emphasis on the Raaaaahhhk sound.

I like to say a personal name the way the person themselves says it, so it kind of irks me to hear a name persistently mispronounced. It's like someone insisting "Jennifer" is "juh-NIFFER". :lol:

A Jennifer would soon be saying "Will ya STOP calling me JuhNIFFER?!" :lol: