The ever growing plague of Aspie supremacism

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Do you identify with an autism related movement and why?
Neurodiversity 30%  30%  [ 25 ]
Autism Pride 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Neurodiversity+Autism Pride 12%  12%  [ 10 ]
Aspie supremacism 6%  6%  [ 5 ]
I do not like labels. 39%  39%  [ 33 ]
Other 11%  11%  [ 9 ]
Total votes : 84

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26 Aug 2015, 5:28 pm

I don't like labels, unless they're on jars and bottles.

Anyway, Aspie Supremacy sounds like, I dunno, people dressing up like ghosts while setting a giant Autism $peaks sign on fire.



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26 Aug 2015, 6:25 pm

I'm inclined to believe in the Neurodiversity side, regardless how helpless it is. At the same time I could care less if one changes their view and learn, or not; it's their choice.

But it's very clear what I'm against: Aspie Supremacists and deniers. More so when taken to the extreme.


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26 Aug 2015, 7:19 pm

gamerdad wrote:
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Can't say I've noticed any aspie supremacism lately.

I seem to encounter them most frequently on Reddit. I wouldn't say they're super common, but they're definitely out there.


Can you and the OP point me to some of these aspie supremacist posts and threads?



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26 Aug 2015, 8:16 pm

rugulach wrote:
gamerdad wrote:
tetris wrote:
Can't say I've noticed any aspie supremacism lately.

I seem to encounter them most frequently on Reddit. I wouldn't say they're super common, but they're definitely out there.


Can you and the OP point me to some of these aspie supremacist posts and threads?


Go back to the archives around 2013 and there used to be plenty of posts revolving around "Aspie anger" at being lumped under ASD in the newly released DSMV. Much of the discussion was about stigma of being called autistic, I think many people grew up with Aspergers and were finding the DSM changes a source of anxiety. Of course many (like the current OP) made their displeasure public about being associated with LFAs

This kind of remains the elephant in the room on WP. Many well intentioned Aspie advocates now make grandiose statements about representing autistic rights, when what they really mean is Aspie rights. They wouldn't know the first thing about what a LFA person has to go through let alone met a LFA person.



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26 Aug 2015, 8:17 pm

rugulach wrote:
Can you and the OP point me to some of these aspie supremacist posts and threads?


I'd actually like a thorough definition on what it is myself. Is being comfortable or even proud that you have asperger's supremacist or is it belittling other people that don't have it, or is it a dastardly plan to wipe out all non-aspies, is it thinking asperger's is superior to HFA or LFA? So many questions that a simple definition would solve for me. If I'm an aspie supremacist do I have to listen to death metal, get a tat, shave my head, and change my name to Skeeter?



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26 Aug 2015, 8:29 pm

I've seen the supremacy attitude here before, it usually only rears its ugly head when someone is having an obvious breakdown though. About the only thing on that list I come even close to identifying with would be the neurodiversity movement, which has some credibility and seems like it's not harmful. Some people who have serious symptoms that do majorly impede on the quality of their life do need help though. I try to stay away from labels these days. There doesn't seem to be any definite answers about what Autism is actually.



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27 Aug 2015, 12:13 am

Aspie supremacy is thinking Aspies are superior to NT's or Low Functioning Autistics. The supremacists will not usually say directly Aspies are superior but more often say negative things about NT's in general. They can make broad generalized unsupported positive statements about Aspies such as they don't lie, or Aspies have more of a sense of justice then the rest of the population.

As for feeling superior over LFA's I have seen it expressed in statements such I am offended if you call me “a person with autism” but it is ok to call Low Functioning people that. Unfortunately low functioning Autism advocate Carly Fleishmann lost her ability to communicate when she took electric shock treatments for OCD. Her father said the decision was hers. There is no evidence to contradict his statements. Despite all of her posts which showed intelligence and compassion most believed her dad made the decision or she was helplessly bamboozled into the decision. Nobody seemed to believe she was capable of making a decision on her own that was bad that went horribly wrong.

If a person says they oppose the dropping of the Aspergers diagnosis because others will associate them with low functioning autistics possibly leading to incorrect treatments for themselves, why is it assumed most people don’t mean that literally, but assume what that really mean is that they do not want to be associated with low functioning people personally?

Why do so many people assume Aspies who oppose ABA do so because they lack empathy for low functioning autistics and their parents? Maybe, just maybe they feel their Autistic brethren are being mistreated?

As for aspie neurodiversity supporters mentioning low functioning neurodiversity advocates why is assumed to be tokenism to resolve guilt over their supremacism? To me it is a normal defensive reaction to being constantly accused of all sorts of bad motives to mention the fact that some of the key leaders of the neurodiversity movement are severely autistic.

Neurodiverisity, agree or disagree with it on its merits. Don’t judge it by its extremists or critics who have successfully defined the movement by its supremacists.


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27 Aug 2015, 2:06 am

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I have not got a clue what you are on about.


I'm not sure I get it either. I ticked neurodiversity though because I made a guess that it means 'I don't care' - We're all different and nobody's better than anyone else. Perhaps I should have ticked 'other'.



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27 Aug 2015, 2:44 am

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27 Aug 2015, 2:53 am

In response to the above definition of Aspie Supremacy, posted by babybird:
Really? That's horrible.



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27 Aug 2015, 2:55 am

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27 Aug 2015, 4:27 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Aspie supremacy is thinking Aspies are superior to NT's or Low Functioning Autistics. The supremacists will not usually say directly Aspies are superior but more often say negative things about NT's in general. They can make broad generalized unsupported positive statements about Aspies such as they don't lie, or Aspies have more of a sense of justice then the rest of the population.


<feeling slightly intimidated here, but I'll give it a try>

Being a "supremacist" is more to do with attitude, I imagine...
This is different from someone making objective observations...
Wouldn't you agree?

A "broad generalisation" is not the same as identifying characteristic clusters...
Some people talk in terms of tendencies/leanings...
These are hardly absolutes...
Wouldn't you agree?

To speak in "broad generalisations" would simply be an indication of faulty methodology or simple ignorance, I would have thought...
It would be indicative of those with a less sophisticated means of analysis, imo..

I haven't researched the subject but there seems quite a large dollop of irony here about autistic supremacists based on what you have said...



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27 Aug 2015, 8:34 am

Aristophanes wrote:
rugulach wrote:
Can you and the OP point me to some of these aspie supremacist posts and threads?


I'd actually like a thorough definition on what it is myself. Is being comfortable or even proud that you have asperger's supremacist or is it belittling other people that don't have it, or is it a dastardly plan to wipe out all non-aspies, is it thinking asperger's is superior to HFA or LFA? So many questions that a simple definition would solve for me. If I'm an aspie supremacist do I have to listen to death metal, get a tat, shave my head, and change my name to Skeeter?

I don't think being merely proud or comfortable with your AS makes you a supremacist. I think the way people typically use the term they're referring to people who think that having AS makes them "better" than both NTs and LFAs. A big red flag for me is when someone starts saying things about AS being "the next stage in human evolution".

To rugulach's request, I'm sorry but I'm having a hard time turning any up right now. As I said, they're not super common. Also searching for them is a bit hard because it's label that gets applied to these people by others, not something they typically self identify as.



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27 Aug 2015, 8:56 am

Hard to be a supremacist when you have one of the worst disabilities around.



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27 Aug 2015, 9:13 am

Dillogic wrote:
Hard to be a supremacist when you have one of the worst disabilities around.

Lol, I agree. Then again, there's always Napoleon-- short little dude with a big nasty junk yard attitude.



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27 Aug 2015, 9:35 am

I'm for neurodiversity/autism pride, but heavily against autism supremacy.

I think there is an unhealthy notion that has worked it's way into the mainstream that there is some type of "perfect model brain/person" and that anyone who does not conform to that standard should be in some way changed or drugged into zombie-dom.

According to much of our society we should all be "straight, cis, neurotypical, christian, undisabled, white, handsome, male, western, tall and intelligent (etc)", where I think that diversity is a source of strength which should be accepted, accommodated and celebrated instead of attacked, dehumanised, vilified, brutalised and drugged into "conformity".

You can't even feel pain or have a natural feeling of stress without having drugs thrown at you these days.