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mild mannered missanthrope
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13 Sep 2015, 7:56 am

Oh! I'm so glad if that proves helpful. The book has been really useful to me both as a practical guide & in some of the insights that are afforded about how ASD brains work differently & why it is so much better to work with rather than against those differences.

I struggle with setting aside modifications that are helping me too. It is tough to try to make these types of changes independently (or without specialist input) because, as you point out, labeling things that are actually helping us as ASD people as avoidance is maladaptive thinking (whereas, for people who don't have an ASD these coping mechanisms might actually be maladaptive coping and would need to be eliminated.)

I try to use a physical disability metaphore to confront this type of thinking: I would want a person who could not walk to have a wheelchair or crutches, so even though my disability is invisible I want to give myself the support of any modified tools or procedures that I need to get where Im going in life.



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13 Sep 2015, 10:04 am

I avoid forming close relationships, generally just avoid people in general. I feel guilty about it because I know how to function and can do it. I just choose not to because I find it overwhelming and I enjoy being alone most of the time.

Something that has helped me a lot the past few years is a non-addictive anti-anxiety medication called Buspar. I didn't know how truly disabling my anxiety was until I had been on Buspar for a while and noticed the significant increase in functioning that came from treating my anxiety. I am still very high-strung but I can do a lot more things now, especially in the social arena.



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13 Sep 2015, 10:33 am

em_tsuj wrote:
I avoid forming close relationships, generally just avoid people in general. I feel guilty about it because I know how to function and can do it. I just choose not to because I find it overwhelming and I enjoy being alone most of the time.

When I was younger (somewhere around the age of 6 or 7), there was another kid I would "hang around" with at school. Then, that person moved away. I was really sad. I remember thinking, what's the use of all the work associated with becoming friends with someone, if that friendship is going to become so, um, transient. I simply decided it wasn't worth the effort. That the pain associated with this "loss" was far worse than the work of finding someone to "hang around" with.

It's memories like this which make me question how well Asperger's explains me. That quite possibly, I developed a personality disorder early on, which is characterized by avoidance of human relations and anything else I find unpleasant or painful.



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13 Sep 2015, 7:25 pm

I am not sure if any of this will be helpful or not, but: What has worked for me (more or less) is intense planning and scripting, while giving myself permission to bolt. What I mean is, I plan a thing, trying to find out as much as possible about what it will be like in advance. What sort of people, music, lighting, expectations and so forth. I may pass by it a couple of times, like a retail establishment, without actually going in. I plan out basic conversations in advance, too, so I do not have to ad lib, at least not much. When I am feeling pretty informed, I go. If I am uncomfortable, I ask myself if there is anything to do about it other than get the heck out. Sometimes I can go into a quieter area, sometimes I can wear ear plugs, other times I can sit outside (like a restaurant). If all is lost, I tell myself that it is fine to just leave, and I go with no guilt.
One other thought, this late in life, I know what I can (usually) manage and what I cannot. I just tailor my life around that. Sure, it is kind of restricted, but I am actually happy with it, since I no longer obsess over not doing things I can't handle. :D


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14 Sep 2015, 12:09 am

BeaArthur wrote:
Here's my take from a different angle.

I work with my daughter, in her late 20s and also aspie, to learn how to do the things that she dreads. I break it down into smaller pieces that she can attempt, but if she is just not able to start, maybe I will start and soon she jumps in, as though the initiation piece was the worst part. I praise her when she succeeds and when she has done much better than she thought she could. Gradually she has learned the adult independence activities she needs to master, like making a medical appointment, finding an apartment, or calling social services about her benefits.

I have pointed out to her that she has a tendency to use avoidance, and in almost all cases, delay and avoidance just make the problems worse. She is beginning to understand that and even to be more proactive.

Hers is a wonderful success story that I would wish on anyone here. She still has a way to go, but she's really come a long long way. I suppose having me as a guide helped, and not everyone has that, but if you can work this way with a social worker or teacher, or even with a parent though that might be rarer, take advantage of it.

Wow, BeaArthur, thanks for sharing that. I wish I had more of that kind of help. This breaking things down into smaller steps is basically how I best learn. Your daughter is very fortunate to have someone like you putting in so much care and effort to helping her succeed in life. :)


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15 Sep 2015, 2:43 am

i avoid everything. i get way too overwhelmed too fast and then i have a meltdown and its not exactly "normal" for a 30 year old to have a little kid tantrum, especially in public, so i try to avoid it at all costs. i know at this point in my life i should be pushing my boundaries and acting more like an adult and trying to sort my s**t out but its so hard. i also think my constant avoidance over the years has made me worse. i havent gotten myself used to dealing with things but its so hard to bring myself to do that. my mom gets frustrated with me and tells me things like, "you just need to get out of the house more" or, "everything will be fine if you just do it" and it drives me crazy. i dont react to things like she expects me to, like a "normal" person would. i cant cope at all. i know i should be better than i am but i just cant get there and it makes me frustrated with myself.


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