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14 Oct 2015, 9:03 pm

Typical Academic rubbish She probably was a school bully herself and is trying to justify herself. :twisted:
I wanted to wipe that smug smile off her face too. :evil:
Bullying just makes things worse for the child who then grows up feeling they are not excepted and have a lot of emotional scars that never heal.



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14 Oct 2015, 9:21 pm

The article may just be a thinly veiled embedded ad for the app she's peddling to parents. If so, she's not just misguided or a misinformed optimist, she's selling snake oil and harming kids in the process.

From her website:

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14 Oct 2015, 9:24 pm

For some survivors of bullying, who have not been able to begin the healing journey, just reading an article like that could trigger a serious spiral down into the powerlessness and terror of past trauma and catapult some into self-harm and self-rejection. The more I think about this terrible article and the harm it seeks to do (so that Miss Wonderful Therapist can step in and heal your trauma, for a price and her profit) the more disgusted I am. If she was a trained and registered psychologist (I'll bet money she isn't, though she strives to create that impression perhaps) then a complaint could be made to the national body that monitors professional behaviour and standards of practising psychologists. Here, where I live, if a registered psychologist who was a member of the national professional body wrote drivel like that, they would probably be kicked out. I would not be surprised either if Miss Wonderful Therapist has links - covert or overt - to our old friends (not) in Autism Speaks.

PS For anyone who has been triggered by this, please stop reading this thread immediately, block new notifications of replies to it, and maybe seek support in The Haven if you are unable to calm and soothe yourself within a reasonable time.



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14 Oct 2015, 9:32 pm

B19 wrote:
I would not be surprised either if Miss Wonderful Therapist has links - covert or overt - to our old friends (not) in Autism Speaks.


https://www.autismspeaks.org/autism-app ... u%E2%84%A2


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14 Oct 2015, 9:53 pm

Thanks for the confirmation Edenthiel!

On her blog page, she spruiks up her 'wonder cure' as equally effective and curative for adults too (this implies that autistic adults never progress beyond childhood levels, and that she wants people to believe this myth).



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14 Oct 2015, 10:00 pm

Whoever wrote this has been reading too many inspirational internet memes.



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14 Oct 2015, 10:28 pm

Right, someone trying to burn my eye with a cigarette lighter to see if I would react certainly did "make me aware of the world around me." As did stabbing the back of my neck with scissors and pencils, and punching me in the arms and back every day. I did learn strength when I beat up my classmates for picking on me, and it was very satisfying, if not necessarily what the author had in mind. It didn't do much for dealing with "stranger danger" awareness, when two teenagers kidnapped me when I was six off a playground. Since I wasn't diagnosed in childhood, it didn't do much to promote autism-friendly programs. My third-grade teacher did call my mom up and ask her if I was ret*d.

This woman fills me with rage. It's the same old bull in a shiny new package: "let the kids work it out amongst themselves, it builds character." The real message is that teachers don't want to be bothered with needy kids or deal with behavior problems.


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14 Oct 2015, 11:05 pm

Seems like wisdom to me.

She preaches to turn a bad event into a positive learning experience.



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14 Oct 2015, 11:15 pm

It never fails to amaze me that garbage like this even gets printed while I will probably never get to be a real writer.

The only positive effect of bullying is when it's stopped and justice has been served.



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14 Oct 2015, 11:16 pm

To me, it boils down to, “Stop being a crybaby and a wimp. It should have benefitted you. If the harm outweighed the good, it’s because you’re too weak to deserve a chance to live, so harming you is no loss anyway”.


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14 Oct 2015, 11:19 pm

My guess: she was one of the popular girls (you can tell by her currently fading looks and harsh prom queen stiff smile) and humiliated the unholy hell out of the girls who she felt were weaker (come on, she and her friends were just having fun), experienced eleven seconds of remorse at some point and fixed that bothersome feeling by deciding she had actually done all those ugly nerdy smelly freak girls a favor, like ZOMG.

That's just a guess, though. Maybe none of this is true. Maybe she's just stupid. Not knowing this woman, we can't discount any possibility. :lol:



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14 Oct 2015, 11:26 pm

Spiderpig wrote:
To me, it boils down to, “Stop being a crybaby and a wimp. It should have benefitted you. If the harm outweighed the good, it’s because you’re too weak to deserve a chance to live, so harming you is no loss anyway”.

It's like the proverb: "when life gives you lemons, make lemonaide".

"When life gives you lemons, make lemonade" is a proverbial phrase used to encourage optimism and a can-do attitude in the face of adversity or misfortune".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_life ... e_lemonade



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14 Oct 2015, 11:27 pm

This lady, if I dare call her that, obviously never lived in the real world.A lot of these stepsi tried when I was a lot younger, and they always backfired in my face.



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14 Oct 2015, 11:38 pm

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I don't know, maybe I'm in a very small minority here, but I get what she is trying to say.

Learning how to deal with people who don't like you, for whatever reason (or none at all) is a very valuable lesson to learn. In life, people will dislike you. Often. People who dislike you will often mistreat you. Learning to accept those things internally and also knowing how to take care of them is important to learn. Even if it comes with uncomfortable situations.

I still believe in many old school thought processes myself. More is to be gained in difficulty than coddling.

Again I'm sure im in a very small minority here on this one.


Learning about how to deal with people who don't like you is different than bullying. People can mistreat and annoy you, but it's not always malicious, merciless, and persistent like bullying is.



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14 Oct 2015, 11:47 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Spiderpig wrote:
To me, it boils down to, “Stop being a crybaby and a wimp. It should have benefitted you. If the harm outweighed the good, it’s because you’re too weak to deserve a chance to live, so harming you is no loss anyway”.

It's like the proverb: "when life gives you lemons, make lemonaide".

"When life gives you lemons, make lemonade" is a proverbial phrase used to encourage optimism and a can-do attitude in the face of adversity or misfortune".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_life ... e_lemonade


You are a kind and decent person for trying to see this in a positive light and for giving the author the benefit of a doubt.

I perhaps am less kind and when it comes to bullying, my own take is: when life slams lemons at you 24/7, hence turning you into a quivering barely functional and occasionally suicidal mess, find out where the damned lemons are coming from, get help in stopping the cruel monster who keeps throwing them because s/he is society's malfunction, not you, and then drink whatever you damned well please. :) Without fear of getting pelted with more lemons for doing so.

Perhaps that one's too cumbersome to be a catchy meme though, I'll bet that's why the lemonade one took off instead. :lol:



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15 Oct 2015, 12:00 am

goofygoobers wrote:
beakybird wrote:
I don't know, maybe I'm in a very small minority here, but I get what she is trying to say.

Learning how to deal with people who don't like you, for whatever reason (or none at all) is a very valuable lesson to learn. In life, people will dislike you. Often. People who dislike you will often mistreat you. Learning to accept those things internally and also knowing how to take care of them is important to learn. Even if it comes with uncomfortable situations.

I still believe in many old school thought processes myself. More is to be gained in difficulty than coddling.

Again I'm sure im in a very small minority here on this one.



Learning about how to deal with people who don't like you is different than bullying. People can mistreat and annoy you, but it's not always malicious, merciless, and persistent like bullying is.


This. "Learning from" and learning "how to deal with" bullying rather than seeing bullying as a problem that should be eliminated, period is (IMO only - I do realize I get a vote of exactly one here) akin to telling someone, "Learn how to deal with your boss touching your thigh every time he leans over you 'to go over reports,' it will build your character. And figure out how to be grateful for this wonderful life's lesson. Be mature enough to realize that every time your boss 'accidentally' runs his finger up your inner thigh, causing you to run to the ladies' room hyperventilating, crying and terrified for not only your self-protection and your job, he's actually doing you a favor, because he's teaching you how to deal with the world. How else would you learn?"

As to the suggestions in the article that bullying can be positive because it builds awareness, take my scenario above and apply it here as well. "Sexual abuse in the workplace is positive because after X amount of people have been damaged by it, more people will know about it." Um...huh?