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23 Nov 2015, 9:36 pm

I find this place to be eminently hopeful.

Autism can really be a good thing......in all honesty.



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23 Nov 2015, 9:56 pm

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What's the point of these jeremiad threads? What's the point of trying to spread despair and hopelessness? What good ever comes of that? Isn't there enough oppression of autistic people already, in the general planet, without trying to maximise it here too?

What despair and hopelessness? I thought this was a positive thread.



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23 Nov 2015, 11:26 pm

Autism is good because it gives me the wisdom to think outside the box, instead of putting things into little boxes that are known as categories.


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24 Nov 2015, 12:11 am

Cats are good.


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24 Nov 2015, 2:02 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
Autism is good because it gives me the wisdom to think outside the box, instead of putting things into little boxes that are known as categories.


Any evidence you have for this assertion?



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24 Nov 2015, 2:05 am

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What's the point of these jeremiad threads? What's the point of trying to spread despair and hopelessness? What good ever comes of that? Isn't there enough oppression of autistic people already, in the general planet, without trying to maximise it here too?


If you told a Down Syndrome person that Down Syndrome is good, that would be oppressive. Autistic people are not a single group that enjoys neurodiversity.



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24 Nov 2015, 2:07 am

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The more genetic diversity there is, the more likely a population will be able to cope with environmental change by natural selection. In addition, in social species, behavioural diversity within a group leads to more different approaches to problems, and therefore being more likely to find a solution.


Well said.


That just increases the likelihood, that doesn't mean that every form of genetic diversity is positive. Obviously, there are genetic configurations that are clearly harmful/damaging.



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24 Nov 2015, 5:58 am

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That just increases the likelihood, that doesn't mean that every form of genetic diversity is positive. Obviously, there are genetic configurations that are clearly harmful/damaging.


and your point is?



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24 Nov 2015, 5:59 am

There is NOTHING good about neurodiversity, especially when everyone and their brother sh!ts all over you. I'm to the point now, someone should round up the neurodiverse beings here on this planet and execute all of us. I'm tired of people treating me like nothing more than d!ckcheese.



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24 Nov 2015, 6:12 am

Davvo7 wrote:
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That just increases the likelihood, that doesn't mean that every form of genetic diversity is positive. Obviously, there are genetic configurations that are clearly harmful/damaging.


and your point is?


You still haven't proven autism is specifically beneficial.



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24 Nov 2015, 6:14 am

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Cats are good.

I like cats.

(by the way, I love how this is the example of linking youtube videos on WP)



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24 Nov 2015, 6:16 am

I think this is a case for the Norges Trollsikkerhetstjenesten.

Or maybe you just want us to look at your very own little website?

Good for you. Goodbye.



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24 Nov 2015, 8:36 am

Autism per se is neither good nor bad. It just is what it is. People are good or bad. We are affected in negative ways by our Autism mostly because of how others act towards us and respond to us. Some Autistic traits, like sensory sensitivities, can be very challenging but challenging and bad mean two different things. Some Autistic traits can be amazing and wonderful. But oftentimes what we feel about our Autism is based, not on the Autism itself, but rather on how we feel about how other people treat us because they don't understand our Autism or because they are mean or insensitive people.

I love Tony Attwood's quote, "Aspies don't suffer from Asperger's, they suffer from other people."

I quoted it as he said it, but I, personally, would include all Spectrumites in that quote.


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24 Nov 2015, 10:13 am

ylevental wrote:
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Autism is good because it gives me the creativity to think outside the box, instead of putting things into little boxes that are known as categories.


Any evidence you have for this assertion?


Why do I need to give you evidence? I think that what I said is evidence enough. What evidence? Why are you asking me for evidence about something that I know from my own experience? I also feel that every life is worth living and I also don't feel the need to provide evidence for that opinion either.


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24 Nov 2015, 10:16 am

I'd also like to say that life is what we make it for ourselves and that's evidence enough.


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24 Nov 2015, 10:29 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
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Autism is good because it gives me the creativity to think outside the box, instead of putting things into little boxes that are known as categories.


Any evidence you have for this assertion?


Why do I need to give you evidence? I think that what I said is evidence enough. What evidence? Why are you asking me for evidence about something that I know from my own experience? I also feel that every life is worth living and I also don't feel the need to provide evidence for that opinion either.


I'm sure your life experience is a valid anecdote, but how can you read the minds of every other autistic? Obviously, some autistics are better at categorization than creativity.

And by your logic, Down Syndrome doesn't need to be treated whatsoever.