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15 Apr 2007, 5:26 am

anybody can't remeber their childhood?



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15 Apr 2007, 5:27 am

I had reboxetine once. It's a noradrenaline(norepinephrine) reuptake inhibitor. It pretty much did the opposite to Prozac, for me. I was panicky the whole time I was on it :( Whereas Prozac calms me down.


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15 Apr 2007, 5:44 am

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What I read its better to seek out a doctor that normally treat children with ADHD and
that will also see adults. Doctors that only see adults are very poor at dealing with adult
ADHD.

I think most ADHD drugs are only approved for children in the UK (which I guess your from) so it might be problematic to get medications. A nasty drug known as reboxetine is available in the UK. I imported some (I'm in the US). A high dose of it 20 mg seemed to do wonders for me getting work done but the side effects were too much and when I ran out I did not order any more.

Oh I have inattentive type ADHD myself.

My sister found a place in croydon that specialises in it. Why do they not alow drugs for adults?


I think I heard this here:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejFnatKPkRs[/youtube]



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15 Apr 2007, 8:02 am

I had a very difficult time writing up my Ph.D. thesis, essentially I had an attention span of 20 seconds. I went to a psychiatrist and asked for Ritalin for my inattentiveness. She was sceptical, and asked me in detail what my problems were.

I was very stressed out at the time, I had insomnia and an inflexible daily routine. I also had a specific obsession that consumed 60 to 70% my thoughts. Anyway she correctly realised that my inattention was caused by obsessions and rigidity. I was prescribed Prozac instead and it helped allot, my obsession went way in about a week and I slept better (almost too much). Looking back, if I was given Ritalin it would have been like putting petrol on a fire, my brain would have exploded.

Also, I was at a genetics of autism conference last month. They said that ASD's and ADHD are part of the same spectrum.



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15 Apr 2007, 9:50 am

TheMachine1 wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
TheMachine1 wrote:
What I read its better to seek out a doctor that normally treat children with ADHD and
that will also see adults. Doctors that only see adults are very poor at dealing with adult
ADHD.

I think most ADHD drugs are only approved for children in the UK (which I guess your from) so it might be problematic to get medications. A nasty drug known as reboxetine is available in the UK. I imported some (I'm in the US). A high dose of it 20 mg seemed to do wonders for me getting work done but the side effects were too much and when I ran out I did not order any more.

Oh I have inattentive type ADHD myself.

My sister found a place in croydon that specialises in it. Why do they not alow drugs for adults?


I think I heard this here:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejFnatKPkRs[/youtube]

Thanks yep we're usually behind. There is a will with some doctors that these problems just go away because they are so overloaded. Think is I don't have problems with spending or taking risk if anything I'm the opposite, generally avoidant. I’m not sure about thinking fast either. I found that quite confusing. Croydon is in surrey so that's probably the place.



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15 Apr 2007, 9:56 am

0_equals_true wrote:
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0_equals_true wrote:
TheMachine1 wrote:
What I read its better to seek out a doctor that normally treat children with ADHD and
that will also see adults. Doctors that only see adults are very poor at dealing with adult
ADHD.

I think most ADHD drugs are only approved for children in the UK (which I guess your from) so it might be problematic to get medications. A nasty drug known as reboxetine is available in the UK. I imported some (I'm in the US). A high dose of it 20 mg seemed to do wonders for me getting work done but the side effects were too much and when I ran out I did not order any more.

Oh I have inattentive type ADHD myself.

My sister found a place in croydon that specialises in it. Why do they not alow drugs for adults?


I think I heard this here:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejFnatKPkRs[/youtube]

Thanks yep we're usually behind. There is a will with some doctors that these problems just go away because they are so overloaded. Think is I don't have problems with spending or taking risk if anything I'm the opposite, generally avoidant. I’m not sure about thinking fast either. I found that quite confusing. Croydon is in surrey so that's probably the place.


I agree I did not see myself alot like the man in the Youtube video either. I'm primary
inattentive. I define it myself as I rather daydream than do anything else. Its very hard
(impossible) to get me to focus on things I do not enjoy.



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15 Apr 2007, 11:49 am

i was diagnosed as having ADD when i was younger, however this just me an exuse to misbehave more at school then just blaim it on my ADD... just thought id share



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15 Apr 2007, 11:57 am

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i was diagnosed as having ADD when i was younger, however this just me an exuse to misbehave more at school then just blaim it on my ADD... just thought id share


ADD is a neurological condition not a choice. Maybe you were not diagnosised correct.
Though reading your other posts tends to makes me think your treating your ADHD with nicotine.

Quote:
: Nicotine Tob Res. 2006 Feb;8(1):37-47.
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The reinforcing effects of nicotine and stimulant medication in the everyday lives of adult smokers with ADHD: A preliminary examination.
Gehricke JG, Whalen CK, Jamner LD, Wigal TL, Steinhoff K.

Department of Psychiatry and Human Behavior, D402 Medical Sciences I, Irvine, CA 92697-1675, USA. [email protected]

Whereas the smoking prevalence rates in the general population are declining, rates among people diagnosed with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) continue to be elevated. Previous research has shown that nicotine may improve attention and mood, suggesting that nicotine may help ameliorate the attentional and emotional problems associated with ADHD. The present study examined the effects of nicotine with and without stimulant medication on ADHD symptoms, moods, and arousal in the everyday lives of smokers with ADHD. A total of 10 smokers with ADHD who were being treated with stimulant medication were asked to abstain from smoking while participating in the study. Participants underwent four conditions in randomized order: (a) Nicotine patch+stimulant medication, (b) nicotine patch only, (c) placebo patch+stimulant medication, and (d) placebo patch only. Each condition continued for 2 days, during which self-reports of ADHD symptoms and moods were obtained using electronic diaries. Lightweight ambulatory monitors recorded cardiovascular activity at each diary entry. Smoking abstinence was verified by expired carbon monoxide and salivary cotinine analysis. Results showed that nicotine patches and stimulant medication alone and in combination reduced difficulty concentrating and core ADHD symptoms compared with placebo patch only. Borderline improvement in impatience and self-control was seen with nicotine patch administration primarily on day 1. Nicotine patches also tended to elevate systolic and diastolic blood pressure compared with placebo patch during day 2. The findings suggest that smokers with ADHD experience nicotine-related reductions in ADHD symptoms during their everyday lives.

PMID: 16497598 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



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15 Apr 2007, 12:08 pm

My son has ADHD and AS, he is on a medication for the ADHD, called Strattera. It is newer and NOT a stimulant, but showing really promising results, especially for those who cannot tolerate the stimulants! he hatted taking ritalin in the past, and we got into a huge fight about the Strattera, but now he actually remembers his med happily, and reports only good things as for how he feels.

On the Ritalin he turned into a ticing zombie.

It is also prescribed for adults... But expensive. So you really need a drug plan if you want to consider it. :(



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15 Apr 2007, 12:31 pm

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My son has ADHD and AS, he is on a medication for the ADHD, called Strattera. It is newer and NOT a stimulant, but showing really promising results, especially for those who cannot tolerate the stimulants! he hatted taking ritalin in the past, and we got into a huge fight about the Strattera, but now he actually remembers his med happily, and reports only good things as for how he feels.

On the Ritalin he turned into a ticing zombie.

It is also prescribed for adults... But expensive. So you really need a drug plan if you want to consider it. :(


Yeah I think Strattera is available in the UK. My thoughts is it primary action is that of a
noradrenaline reuptake inhibitor like reboxetine. So it will be useful in treating ADHD for many. In the US the old drug Wellbutrin is now off patent and very cheap it has metabolites which are strong noradrenaline reuptake inhibitors.

So in the US if money was a problem it would certainly be my first choice to try wellbutrin in the none stimulant drug class. Oh I tried a large doses of it myself 500 mg daily but found It much like reboxetine but less effective than 20 mg of reboxetine.



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15 Apr 2007, 12:43 pm

I also have AS and ADHD.
The ADHD isn't so much of an issue anymore because of the Ritalin (it's called Rilatine here)
I kind of use my ADHD as a tool..
For ex: when going to a (dance)party, i explicitly don't take my Ritalin to make me looser.
But if i'm going to school, to work or to a social event -i don't really know the specifics of- i just take my Ritalin.



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15 Apr 2007, 12:54 pm

I have AS and ADHD (mixed type) and Ritalin works wonders for me. Prior to my diagnosis, I took Lexapro for six months because I thought my concentration problems were due to feeling depressed and stressed-out over being "downsized" from my job. Lexapro didn't really work for me. I felt very flat and slow, very unlike myself. Once I got my diagnoses, I saw a child psychiatrist for the ADHD and he prescribed Ritalin. It was an amazing difference from the very first pill - for the first time in my life, I felt calm and "normal." So I would say that stimulant meds are definitely worth a try for those with co-morbid ADHD. You'll know from pretty much the first dose whether or not they'll work well for you. If they speed you up or make you too nervous, then maybe Wellbutrin or Strattera would help instead.



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15 Apr 2007, 1:16 pm

daisybcfc wrote:
i was diagnosed as having ADD when i was younger, however this just me an exuse to misbehave more at school then just blaim it on my ADD... just thought id share

I wasn't badly behaved. If anything the problems I had made me more avoidant contributing to my SA.



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15 Apr 2007, 1:57 pm

without being moody i dont think you can really comment on wether my diagnoses was correct or not seeming as the extent that you know me is around 10 posts on here, however im not sure if i worded that correctly to make my point, i know its not a choice decision but if i ever was badly behaved i knew i wouldnt get in trouble for it therefore pushed boundaries as far as i could which was furhter than most. also im not sure what me smoking has to do with it? i smoke 5 at specific times of the day and have since i was 14 and im now 20, altho im trying to quit, which even with the health concerns i dont believe its that bad a thing



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15 Apr 2007, 2:30 pm

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without being moody i dont think you can really comment on wether my diagnoses was correct or not seeming as the extent that you know me is around 10 posts on here, however im not sure if i worded that correctly to make my point, i know its not a choice decision but if i ever was badly behaved i knew i wouldnt get in trouble for it therefore pushed boundaries as far as i could which was furhter than most. also im not sure what me smoking has to do with it? i smoke 5 at specific times of the day and have since i was 14 and im now 20, altho im trying to quit, which even with the health concerns i dont believe its that bad a thing


My point is people are not using ADHD as an excuse its a rate limiting step in their lives they have little control over.



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15 Apr 2007, 2:46 pm

TheMachine1 wrote:
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without being moody i dont think you can really comment on wether my diagnoses was correct or not seeming as the extent that you know me is around 10 posts on here, however im not sure if i worded that correctly to make my point, i know its not a choice decision but if i ever was badly behaved i knew i wouldnt get in trouble for it therefore pushed boundaries as far as i could which was furhter than most. also im not sure what me smoking has to do with it? i smoke 5 at specific times of the day and have since i was 14 and im now 20, altho im trying to quit, which even with the health concerns i dont believe its that bad a thing


My point is people are not using ADHD as an excuse its a rate limiting step in their lives they have little control over.


i understand ur point (well i think i do) but i still dont think u understand that aswell as misbehaving subconsiously as part of adhd for example not sitting still, refusing to talk in front of a class, running away from school, never listening, walking away from ppl when i spoke to, not doing homework, i knew if i ever didnt want to do someting i could get away with not doing it but by knowingly doing this. im not saying i only was like i was through choice, im saying i neevr really faught against it because i never had to