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21 Apr 2007, 9:52 pm

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if some small, insignificant group is hurt, as long as some bastard gets to rake in sympathy and cash.



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21 Apr 2007, 10:19 pm

It seems Geraldo changes his empathy quite a bit - wasn't he recently in some faux shouting match with Bill O'Reilly claiming that no one should vilify illegal immigrants and base judgements on the actions of a few. He however has no problem doing that in regards to AS?



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21 Apr 2007, 10:25 pm

walk-in-the-rain wrote:
It seems Geraldo changes his empathy quite a bit - wasn't he recently in some faux shouting match with Bill O'Reilly claiming that no one should vilify illegal immigrants and base judgements on the actions of a few. He however has no problem doing that in regards to AS?


And now he's also giving liberals a bad name because people will think all liberals are like him and only stick up for a group if it's a nationality or an immigrant group. He's not a liberal, he's an amoral entertainer who'll stoop to whatever it takes to get viewers.



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21 Apr 2007, 10:51 pm

It's pretty likely that they're going to use the Autism thing as an anchor, then slowwwwwwwly narrow it down to Asperger's once they actually start reading about the condition instead of using it as a buzzword. It might turn out that pretty soon, he'll be what Asperger's is associated with. It's gonna be a sh***y time to be an aspie.

Yeah, that's my "worst case scenario" prediction of the day.



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22 Apr 2007, 12:11 am

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Thank you RH, for making me smile. I've just been crying, so this a good thing :)

BTW, in case we haven't been introduced properly, I'm a slut-in-recovery.



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22 Apr 2007, 3:04 am

Oh great, so I may be an Aspie, and...I PLAY VIDEO GAMES! 8O 8O

Oh, the horror! The humanity! It's possible I might do terrible things at any moment, like...

Talk to you about why the Core 2 is such a great CPU architecture!

Or show you cute pictures of my puppy!

Oh no!

(Sorry if I'm coming off as goofy about this-this is a really terrible thing for Geraldo to do, but it's just so nuts that the media grabs on to some random fact about a person person who did something terrible and decides that's why they did it...I mean they might as well claim it was the color of their hair or because they drove a GM car or something.)

If the media latches on to stuff like that, I really hope other parts of the media also step up in educational shows about AS and ASDs.



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22 Apr 2007, 4:01 am

Idiots like Geraldo will be listened-to by idiots who don't know any better. Fortunately, I think one upshot of this will be a lot in the media about bullying, early diagnosis, good treatment & community support. Call me an optimist, but in the long run I think this can help. Especially when I'm having a good day and mention in passing to people that I'm an Aspie. When people see you functioning & relatively normal, it helps.

I've come at this in the past from the mental illness angle (I have a bipolar disorder diagnosis) and have been active with NAMI (Natl. Alliance on Mental Illness), which is a good advocacy group. I think we can learn some lessons from them.



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22 Apr 2007, 4:30 am

TrishC7 wrote:

I've come at this in the past from the mental illness angle (I have a bipolar disorder diagnosis) and have been active with NAMI (Natl. Alliance on Mental Illness), which is a good advocacy group. I think we can learn some lessons from them.


Oh cool! I subscribe to their email newsletter. I was diagnosed with OCD back probably before 99.9% of doctors had ever heard of AS. (I'm investigating AS now, as it seems to fit a lot of the "weird" things about me, whereas OCD is sort of just something I have to do to comfort myself, but doesn't explain anything to me.)



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22 Apr 2007, 2:19 pm

This from the National Autistic Society in the UK

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The NAS is aware of media reports that suggest that the gunman, Cho Seung Hui, may have had autism.

The National Autistic Society will not speculate on the details of this individual case and it is currently unclear whether Cho Seung Hui had a diagnosis of autism.

However, to make any link between autism and the extreme, violent behaviour displayed in this case is irresponsible. Individuals are already often the targets of bullying and hostility and such speculation only risks inciting prejudice.

Autism does not make a person more likely to intentionally commit a crime. Indeed, in many cases, individuals with autism are unusually concerned to keep the letter of the law, due to the nature of the disability. Some people with autism may also be more vulnerable to criminal acts against them because of their social difficulties.

In any situation, a person with autism will have individual personality traits and facets to their character, just like any other person, that make up who they are and determine their actions. People affected by autism need understanding and support and it is crucial that there are services in place to meet their needs.


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22 Apr 2007, 2:36 pm

I did a search for 'cho' and 'asperger' and only one article came up, saying that he was probably schizophrenic and that make it 'appear' as if he has autism or as.



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22 Apr 2007, 2:42 pm

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I don't remember exactly when, but I think it was in the fall of 2005, there was a member of WP who killed a neighbor and then killed himself.


About 10 years or so ago, a member of a local Star Trek fan club that I was also part of at the time was convicted of murder. During the trial, the media never failed to mention that he was a Star Trek fan. As if that was somehow relevant.


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22 Apr 2007, 3:14 pm

ahayes wrote:
I did a search for 'cho' and 'asperger' and only one article came up, saying that he was probably schizophrenic and that make it 'appear' as if he has autism or as.


It is autism that is mentioned, not aspergers.



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22 Apr 2007, 7:02 pm

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Oh great, so I may be an Aspie, and...I PLAY VIDEO GAMES! 8O 8O

Oh, the horror! The humanity! It's possible I might do terrible things at any moment, like...

Talk to you about why the Core 2 is such a great CPU architecture!

Or show you cute pictures of my puppy!

Oh no!

(Sorry if I'm coming off as goofy about this-this is a really terrible thing for Geraldo to do, but it's just so nuts that the media grabs on to some random fact about a person person who did something terrible and decides that's why they did it...I mean they might as well claim it was the color of their hair or because they drove a GM car or something.)

If the media latches on to stuff like that, I really hope other parts of the media also step up in educational shows about AS and ASDs.


You made me laugh. :D :lol:


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22 Apr 2007, 7:23 pm

Xenon wrote:
aylissa wrote:
I don't remember exactly when, but I think it was in the fall of 2005, there was a member of WP who killed a neighbor and then killed himself.


About 10 years or so ago, a member of a local Star Trek fan club that I was also part of at the time was convicted of murder. During the trial, the media never failed to mention that he was a Star Trek fan. As if that was somehow relevant.


Of course it's relevant we all know how dangerous those Star Trek fans are :roll:


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22 Apr 2007, 8:06 pm

I'd like to find any single disorder that doesn't at least have a couple murderers associated with it. The same has been done to Schizophrenia and is even targeted as a dangerous disorder by the FBI. However, the FBI lists all sz's together rather than specifying that it's PARANOID Schizophrenics who may have the greater potential to be dangerous.

Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Cho were ASD. It's not something that makes me ashamed because I am myself and Cho was Cho. There are messed up nonautistics and messed up autistics; despite media sensationalism, that's inevitable.

Ted Kazcynksy fits a perfect ASD profile, Dahmer is an ASD runner-up. It's inevitable. But we're all different.


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22 Apr 2007, 9:11 pm

By the nunbers we are very trackable. The murder rate is now 5.5 per 100,000. Taking 10%, our current number, 0.5 to 0.7 murders a year would be a norm for this group. In murder/suicide only the murder counts, so that is "ONE" in the life of WP.

Considering what a hardened lot of ASers are here, Dxed, card carrying, we are at 50% to 70% of the murders expected in a group this size. Considering the co-morbid conditions that are mentioned, not Pure AS here, and the incitement we get from the world, that is low.

I would give a grade of 75% of expected performance a "C-". And I would credit most of that to other Dxs, not AS.

I relate to this place, but get nothing from the VT shooter, not of my tribe.

For predominate AS, a normal aspie, now theres a term, I would think a murder rate of 5% of the general population would be very high. Aspies are about as dangerous as Third Graders, or Nuns.

This is why we have to self define, collect numbers, do PowerPoint Presentations.

My guess would be a very low crime rate, high educational levels, high IQ, and outside of IT, a leading role in industry.

Of the 2,000,000 in the US now, most of us just blended in and made a good life. We were normal but odd people till 1994. I think that was the same year Gay people were removed from the Sacred DSM, and made suddenly sane. There was a blank to fill, with a Mystery Disability. AS was invented in 1994 to keep those jobs in Psychobabble, when after all they had done, those ungrateful Gay people rejected them.

WP is now up to 0.05% of American aspies, and England and Austrailia supply a lot of the troops. Out of that little bit, the worst I think, 0.05% are whiners and complainers, the rest would rather be AS. So many of the life stories here make me feel lucky, they went through some bad stuff, but are still great people.

99,9% of aspies just grew up, got an education, jobs, married, became home owners, had kids, started businesses, and did just fine. We are great!

The kids here will follow their path, almost all will find their way.

The problem is our Advocacy Group is CAN, who do you think played Geraldo into the game, and set up Alex, who could not refuse. Happy healthy aspies destroy their master plan. They are raising money to exterminate us, they villify us every chance they get. Their jobs depend on it.

This is not a time for puppies, this is a Machavellian game, and we are really great at games.