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30 Apr 2007, 6:02 pm

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If she hides her diaper, that shows an understanding of state of mind. An autistic kid would not think to hide the diaper. Giver her some time.


It could just be a learned behavior due to positive reinforcement.



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30 Apr 2007, 6:04 pm

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If she hides her diaper, that shows an understanding of state of mind. An autistic kid would not think to hide the diaper. Giver her some time.




I don't know if shes hiding it so much as copying what we do with it. She leaves them in various trash cans.We just have issues finding them.All we know is there is a smell and shes not wearing it.


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Her crying when she repeats to you, reluctance to use the toilet, etc... indicate she is NOT merely copying you. She may act wierd etc.. HECK, YOU do! Heck, some have said I do! But she obviously has some intelligence there. And you said she is "HIDING" it! That implies it is at least not the trash can you are using!

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30 Apr 2007, 6:09 pm

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If she hides her diaper, that shows an understanding of state of mind. An autistic kid would not think to hide the diaper. Giver her some time.




I don't know if shes hiding it so much as copying what we do with it. She leaves them in various trash cans.We just have issues finding them.All we know is there is a smell and shes not wearing it.


Blackcat,

Her crying when she repeats to you, reluctance to use the toilet, etc... indicate she is NOT merely copying you. She may act wierd etc.. HECK, YOU do! Heck, some have said I do! But she obviously has some intelligence there. And you said she is "HIDING" it! That implies it is at least not the trash can you are using!

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Nah all that proves is that she understands the function of a trashcan if she were trying to hide it Im sure she can think of better places.

And your right shes not just copying but that doesn't mean some of her behaviors aren't mimicry simply because all of them are not.



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30 Apr 2007, 6:14 pm

right now shes rocking and saying/singing "thats what spiders doooo,thats what spiders dooo,thats what spiders dooo....."on and on.im tempted to tell her to shut up....or join in....im not sure. This is NOT a song btw..... :? ALTHOUGH...I have no right to be annoyed with her as i've been saying "da moo-na"(the moon)in various tones pitches and volumes since 9:37am(when i woke up). :lol:


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30 Apr 2007, 6:30 pm

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right now shes rocking and saying/singing "thats what spiders doooo,thats what spiders dooo,thats what spiders dooo....."on and on.im tempted to tell her to shut up....or join in....im not sure. This is NOT a song btw..... :?


WOW, it is like you're at a zoo, watching the animals! Why haven't we heard of her before?

I still remember how you described yourself originally. GRANTED it was more sedate than what she is doing, but she IS younger, etc... Many would say YOU sounded odd. I bet your sister turns out fine.

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30 Apr 2007, 6:38 pm

I had to choose two genetic issues and write an essay on them. One is aspergers! While I am diagnosed and understand it, this still doesn't mean I know everything *about* it. I'm trying to figure out what is necessary for a diagnosis.. ie.. is it possible for an individual to exhibit every other symptom yet have regular social abilities (or at least in conversation)? Or would that completely defy aspergers itself.


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30 Apr 2007, 6:55 pm

SteveK wrote:
blackcat wrote:
right now shes rocking and saying/singing "thats what spiders doooo,thats what spiders dooo,thats what spiders dooo....."on and on.im tempted to tell her to shut up....or join in....im not sure. This is NOT a song btw..... :?


WOW, it is like you're at a zoo, watching the animals! Why haven't we heard of her before?

I still remember how you described yourself originally. GRANTED it was more sedate than what she is doing, but she IS younger, etc... Many would say YOU sounded odd. I bet your sister turns out fine.

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haha, i AM odd(so say my friends).as to why i've never really mentioned her, i m not sure....never thought about it i guess.


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30 Apr 2007, 7:16 pm

Ramsus wrote:
I had to choose two genetic issues and write an essay on them. One is aspergers! While I am diagnosed and understand it, this still doesn't mean I know everything *about* it. I'm trying to figure out what is necessary for a diagnosis.. ie.. is it possible for an individual to exhibit every other symptom yet have regular social abilities (or at least in conversation)? Or would that completely defy aspergers itself.


Some here would dispute what I am about to say, but can a NON clinically significant development disorder be clinically considered a development disorder? AS DOES say no clinically significant inpairment besides social. If they have regular social abilities, how can it be considered a PDD?

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30 Apr 2007, 8:37 pm

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Some here would dispute what I am about to say, but can a NON clinically significant development disorder be clinically considered a development disorder? AS DOES say no clinically significant inpairment besides social. If they have regular social abilities, how can it be considered a PDD?

I agree, but I admit I could have worded my earlier question better. Social qualities extend beyond small talk, which I had focused on as being regular. Is it likely (or at least possible) that someone effected by aspergers (not necessarily very strongly by it) is capable of looking someone in the eyes and reading their emotion during conversation, yet at the same time displays other attributes common with aspergers, ie..
- Unkowingly says mean or offensive things
- Comes off as rude
- Must correct a mistake made by another person
- Impulsive

Then above that, they demonstrate other symptoms.. and quite strongly too.
- Began talking at a late age
- Sensory overload
- Difficulty going to sleep
- Nervous tic
- Repetitive behavior
- Chooses one subject to focus on and pushes everything else away

Would symptoms of this nature still qualify as having aspergers, albeit maybe to a lesser degree? It after all does, can, and will effect various people in differant ways. Again, I realize this question may come off as strange. One of the questions was to mix-match and play around with the symptoms, then see if it would still be considered a part of the original disease, deformity, etc.


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30 Apr 2007, 9:28 pm

Ramsus wrote:
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Some here would dispute what I am about to say, but can a NON clinically significant development disorder be clinically considered a development disorder? AS DOES say no clinically significant inpairment besides social. If they have regular social abilities, how can it be considered a PDD?

I agree, but I admit I could have worded my earlier question better. Social qualities extend beyond small talk, which I had focused on as being regular. Is it likely (or at least possible) that someone effected by aspergers (not necessarily very strongly by it) is capable of looking someone in the eyes and reading their emotion during conversation, yet at the same time displays other attributes common with aspergers, ie..
- Unkowingly says mean or offensive things
- Comes off as rude
- Must correct a mistake made by another person
- Impulsive

Then above that, they demonstrate other symptoms.. and quite strongly too.
- Began talking at a late age
- Sensory overload
- Difficulty going to sleep
- Nervous tic
- Repetitive behavior
- Chooses one subject to focus on and pushes everything else away

Would symptoms of this nature still qualify as having aspergers, albeit maybe to a lesser degree? It after all does, can, and will effect various people in differant ways. Again, I realize this question may come off as strange. One of the questions was to mix-match and play around with the symptoms, then see if it would still be considered a part of the original disease, deformity, etc.


I've gotten rid of most of the mean, rude,correcting,impulsive behaviour. Those are actually the most obvious and simplest to get rid of, not that it is a walk in the park. They ARE AS symptoms though.



MOST AS people start speaking EARLY!! !! It turns out I basically hit the 2 year benchmark around 9-10 months! From what my mother described, I was probably talking like a 5 year old when I was 2.
Apparently most, like me, DON'T have nervous tics.
The choose one subject is apparently NOT generally the case.
The rest ARE common symptoms.

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30 Apr 2007, 9:35 pm

As a form of autism, is it possible that symptoms can be borrowed from both autism and aspergers? Or must they remain independant..?


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30 Apr 2007, 9:43 pm

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As a form of autism, is it possible that symptoms can be borrowed from both autism and aspergers? Or must they remain independant..?


There is a large common set of symptoms, but some aspergers symptoms DO specifically exclude some possible classical autism ones..