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12 May 2016, 7:39 pm

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I have an issue whenever I hear someone speaking with an accent. Accents are one of my interests (recognizing different accents and being able to identify the country/region, and being able to mimic them) and I often blurt out certain words that sound interesting because I want to reproduce the sound. I even married a guy with an accent.


THIS!

I get so fascinated by accents and dialects and lexicons that I start asking people to repeat specific words so that I can repeat those words because I don't have a natural talent for mimicking new phonemes...



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12 May 2016, 7:41 pm

If you break the word apart ...."echo" = repetition; "lalia" = speech disorder/defect/abnormality (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/-lalia) so my first thought was it has to be vocal only.

But then I searched for "mental echolalia" and in the first three pages of search results I found the term in these two books:

"Behavior and Mood Disorders in Focal Brain Lesions" by Julien Bogousslavsky and Jeffrey L. Cummings

"Handbook of Medical Neuropsychology: Applications of Cognitive Neuroscience" by by Carol L. Armstrong, Lisa Morrow

....and in this article about Tourette's Syndrome/Tic Disorders published on the American Academy of Family Physicians website:

http://www.aafp.org/afp/1999/0415/p2263.html

....so apparently mental echolalia is recognized as a thing by at least some medical professionals.

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It is unconscious repetitions of vocalizations by self or others.
Conscious repetition or mental repetition are not echolalia.


It's not always unconscious. Especially with delayed echolalia, I imagine it's usually conscious repitition (delayed echolalia has never been an unconscious thing for me, anyways -- only immediate echolalia was ever unconscious).

Indiana University Bloomington has a couple of articles on their website about the functional categories of echolalia where the function of echolalia would rule out unconscious reptition:

https://www.iidc.indiana.edu/pages/Func ... -Echolalia
https://www.iidc.indiana.edu/pages/Func ... -Echolalia


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13 May 2016, 12:26 pm

When I was a small child, I did it to my parents, though not all the time, just occasionally, and thought that I was teasing them, just did it because they hated it and went up the wall. I didn't feel that it was a compulsion (though I didn't know the word then, of course) or anything like that: just because I wanted to. I did "outgrow" that. But it's always been inside my head, especially, now, with replies like this that I do on web sites, anything I've written, sometimes bits of conversations. Around and around and around, and I can't let the pieces go and forget them, even though I know that they're trivial and I'm wasting mental time with them (and often, keeping myself awake). I suppose, for a writer (which I'm not, but that was a recurrent dream), it could be a useful exercise in how to say something better, getting the right word or words.

As for the childhood thing being normal "teasing", there was a cartoon in the Sunday paper last week, a boy doing it to his sister (who is working on something, maybe a letter or schoolwork), starting with sniffs and sighs, and when she eventually blows up and storms off, saying to the universe in general with a smug look on his face, "Teasing. It's an art." Since the cartoonist considered it as I did when I was little, it must be a widespread experience.

Maybe a large portion of the population has that bit of autistic wiring?


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13 May 2016, 8:16 pm

animalcrackers wrote:
If you break the word apart ...."echo" = repetition; "lalia" = speech disorder/defect/abnormality (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/-lalia) so my first thought was it has to be vocal only.

But then I searched for "mental echolalia" and in the first three pages of search results I found the term in these two books:

"Behavior and Mood Disorders in Focal Brain Lesions" by Julien Bogousslavsky and Jeffrey L. Cummings

"Handbook of Medical Neuropsychology: Applications of Cognitive Neuroscience" by by Carol L. Armstrong, Lisa Morrow

....and in this article about Tourette's Syndrome/Tic Disorders published on the American Academy of Family Physicians website:

http://www.aafp.org/afp/1999/0415/p2263.html

....so apparently mental echolalia is recognized as a thing by at least some medical professionals.

btbnnyr wrote:
It is unconscious repetitions of vocalizations by self or others.
Conscious repetition or mental repetition are not echolalia.


It's not always unconscious. Especially with delayed echolalia, I imagine it's usually conscious repitition (delayed echolalia has never been an unconscious thing for me, anyways -- only immediate echolalia was ever unconscious).

Indiana University Bloomington has a couple of articles on their website about the functional categories of echolalia where the function of echolalia would rule out unconscious reptition:

https://www.iidc.indiana.edu/pages/Func ... -Echolalia
https://www.iidc.indiana.edu/pages/Func ... -Echolalia


Delayed echolalia was never a thing for me either, it seems iffy as echolalia in the first place, and if it is consciously saying the words heard before, I don't think it is echolalia. Some people say they consciously used delayed echolalia to communicate, but those reports have nothing to do with any echolalia I experienced, which is totally unconscious and uncommunicative. The repeated words would have to come out of my mouth several times before I realized I was saying anything.


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13 May 2016, 10:45 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
animalcrackers wrote:
(delayed echolalia has never been an unconscious thing for me, anyways -- only immediate echolalia was ever unconscious). [...]


Delayed echolalia was never a thing for me either, it seems iffy as echolalia in the first place, and if it is consciously saying the words heard before, I don't think it is echolalia. Some people say they consciously used delayed echolalia to communicate, but those reports have nothing to do with any echolalia I experienced, which is totally unconscious and uncommunicative. The repeated words would have to come out of my mouth several times before I realized I was saying anything.


I agree with you that delayed echolalia is nothing like the immediate, unconscious, uncommunicative type of echolalia. It was a completely unconscious thing with no communicative (nor interactive) purpose for me, too. I only learned it was something I did after other kids at school started making fun of me for it and explicitly told me what I was doing. (I didn't even believe them at first, but my mom confirmed it.)

I didn't mean delayed echolalia was never a thing for me, though, just that it was never an unconscious thing...

My term for it was "borrow[ed/ing] words" until my psychologist told me it was delayed echolalia. (I still call it "borrowed words".) Sometimes I would use "borrowed words" so that I could participate in the speaking-part of conversations without actually trying to communicate anything (I still do this occasionally), and other times I would be trying to communicate something (I don't do this much anymore -- mostly because it usually doesn't work to communicate anything).


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