Do I have AS or HFA? Help me figure out the difference.

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02 Jun 2016, 9:06 pm

My mistake. I thought you were upset with me because I was assuming that I "knew" you.

Sorry about that.



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02 Jun 2016, 10:05 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
My mistake. I thought you were upset with me because I was assuming that I "knew" you.

Sorry about that.


No worries


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02 Jun 2016, 10:34 pm

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I took the asvab in high school and was told I tested high in mechanics/electronics.....go figure as I can't put stuff together....these tests don't tell the whole story. Lousy coordination, forget about me roller skating, tennis or dancing.

Great speller but only because I have a stellar memory. I don't know all the rules per say that dictate how words are spelled.

Photographic memory, scent memory.I have no idea what my official profile is.


I have a terrible memory and I'm terrible at spelling.
On my high school differential aptitude test back in the 60's I scored in the 35th percentile in spelling, but my highest percentile scores were 99th in matrix reasoning, 90th in spatial reasoning, 85th in mechanical reasoning, and 80th in verbal reasoning.
But I flunked out of high school.

Most girls in my generation went on to get clerical jobs. but I couldn't spell or type. I typed slow and made a lot of mistakes. I scored in the 5th percentile in clerical.
I ended up being a single mom on welfare until I took some programming classes at a community college in the 80's
and went on to be a mainframe programmer for over two decades.



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02 Jun 2016, 11:12 pm

I thought the DSM-V killed aspergers as a label in favor of autism+individuality o_o


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03 Jun 2016, 1:03 pm

Rebel_Nowe wrote:
I thought the DSM-V killed aspergers as a label in favor of autism+individuality o_o


Please elaborate.

Also, I scored 37 on AQ.



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03 Jun 2016, 1:41 pm

Theres not much difference between them, since they're pretty much the same thing. :roll:

In fact, i think they killed off the "hfa" term a while ago, unless its for something else, not sure.


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03 Jun 2016, 2:48 pm

The United States no longer uses Asperger's as a diagnosis. The DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) is what the US uses as its book of diagnostic criteria for mental and developmental conditions. The latest edition, the DSM 5 (fifth edition,) published May 18m 2013, has done away with the Asperger's diagnosis so now all of the Autism diagnoses are under the umbrella of Autism Spectrum Disorder. I don't know if other countries are still using Asperger's as an official diagnosis.

But the reason it was done away with in the US was that the only clinical difference between AS and Autism was whether or not you had a significant delay in learning to speak as a toddler. Those who learned to speak at a normal rate and age but who fit the diagnostic criteria were diagnosed with Asperger's. Those who had delayed speech were HFA and those with an IQ of 75 or less were diagnosed LFA.

But as far as your speech now, it is impossible for us to comment on it here. This is a written format, not a verbal one. We have members who are completely nonverbal and who express themselves very fluently here. People who are diagnosed LFA also express themselves very well here in a written format. The speech delay that they were referring to as far as the old Asperger's diagnosis had to do with verbal speech.

But now, after the publishing of the DSM 5 you will be diagnosed Autism Spectrum Disorder and then given a number level to show what level of functioning you best fit into.


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03 Jun 2016, 8:51 pm

Here is the link to another thread where I posted the DSM 5 chart for the severity Autism numbering system. So when you get diagnosed it will say Autism Spectrum Disorder and then either 1, 2, or 3. My educated guess would put you at a level 1 but I am not a diagnostician and I have never met you so it's only an educated guess.

But here is the link to the page on the other thread where I posted the severity chart.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=319824&p=7167552#p7167552


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04 Jun 2016, 7:54 pm

What SKIBUM said is exactly what my son's child psychiatrist said about Aspergers and the Autism Spectrum Umbrella.


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04 Jun 2016, 9:10 pm

My understanding is that High Functioning arose to describe autistic people with average intelligence or intelligence above the low score of 70 on the standard IQ tests.

(I am glad it is not used in that way now, it was ridiculous to conflate the idea of average intelligence with the idea that even average was high for autistic people, which stereotyped them as automatically "lesser than". It obscured the fact that genius and many other distinct forms of ability occur on the spectrum too).

The usage and meaning of HFA seem to have changed over time however (fortunately) and now it seems to be used to refer to people who can apply greater levels of capability and self-determination over their own lives.



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04 Jun 2016, 9:11 pm

skibum wrote:
Here is the link to another thread where I posted the DSM 5 chart for the severity Autism numbering system. So when you get diagnosed it will say Autism Spectrum Disorder and then either 1, 2, or 3. My educated guess would put you at a level 1 but I am not a diagnostician and I have never met you so it's only an educated guess.

But here is the link to the page on the other thread where I posted the severity chart.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=319824&p=7167552#p7167552

Thats my understanding of it.

Speech delay is the only difference. Otherwise aspergers and HFA are the same thing. The distinction isnt worth worrying about if the OP seriously worried about it.



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05 Jun 2016, 1:56 am

The reason Aspergers was eliminated as because it was felt that the Aspergers disgnosis was bieng used to diagnose people that were not autistic and this was costing school districts and insurance companies money. This is not me theorizing, it is what members of the DSM said.

Why Claim Aspergers Is Overdiagnosed? Psychology Today Nov 21, 2012

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While the American Psychiatric Association insists that “un-diagnosing” is not its goal, there is little question that a purpose of its DSM changes is screening out those who may not be “definitively” autistic. Members of the committees charged with the autism revisions have reverted to this theme again and again, often in unguarded moments.

Susan Swedo, chair of the DSM-5 neurodevelopmental disorders workgroup, said in May that many people who identify with Asperger’s Syndrome “don't actually have Asperger's disorder, much less an autism spectrum disorder.”

David Kupfer, chair of the task force charged with the DSM revisions, blurted to the New York Times in January: “We have to make sure not everybody who is a little odd gets a diagnosis of autism or Asperger Disorder. It involves a use of treatment resources. It becomes a cost issue.” (This was startling to those who’d missed the memo that declared costs and treatment resources the responsibility of the APA. Which was everyone.)

Catherine Lord, the director of the Institute for Brain Development at New York-Presbyterian Hospital, and another member of the workgroup, told Scientific American in January, “If the DSM-IV criteria are taken too literally, anybody in the world could qualify for Asperger's or PDD-NOS... We need to make sure the criteria are not pulling in kids who do not have these disorders.”

Paul Steinberg, a D.C. psychiatrist, declared in a New York Times op-ed in January that “with the loosening of the diagnosis of Asperger, children and adults who are shy and timid, who have quirky interests like train schedules and baseball statistics, and who have trouble relating to their peers” are erroneously and harmfully labeled autistic. He blamed a 1992 Department of Education directive that “called for enhanced services" for children diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders: “The diagnosis of Asperger syndrome went through the roof."

Dr. Bryna Siegel, a developmental psychologist at the University of California, San Francisco, told a Daily Beast reporter in February that she “undiagnoses” nine of out ten students with so-called Asperger’s. Siegel was a member of the panel responsible for the inclusion of Asperger’s in the DSM-IV, which the reporter cited to me in a phone call as evidence of Seigel's objectivity: implicitly, Seigel is critiquing her own work. But that same journalist made no mention in the piece of Dr. Seigel’s history as an expert witness for school districts fending off families’ claims for those “enhanced services,” and the obvious conflict of interest (as well as the selection bias in her client pool) this represents. In October, she told New York magazine that she undiagnoses six out of ten. That's quite a shift in eight months. Hope it was evidence-based.


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05 Jun 2016, 8:21 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I really get the feeling, as I think about it, Zombie, that you do have good verbal abilities---but anxiety severely inhibits you in being able to make use of that verbal ability.
It is not possible to assess someone's verbal abilities in a written format. To assess verbal abilities the person has to actually be verbal, meaning you have to actually hear her speak. I am not saying that Zombie Bride cannot speak, what I am saying is that in a forum, we are not speaking, we are only writing, so there is no way for you to understand what her verbal abilities are. People can be fluent when they write and have very limited abilities when they speak. They can also be nonverbal.


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05 Jun 2016, 8:25 am

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spinelli wrote:
I took the asvab in high school and was told I tested high in mechanics/electronics.....go figure as I can't put stuff together....these tests don't tell the whole story. Lousy coordination, forget about me roller skating, tennis or dancing.

Great speller but only because I have a stellar memory. I don't know all the rules per say that dictate how words are spelled.

Photographic memory, scent memory.I have no idea what my official profile is.


I have a terrible memory and I'm terrible at spelling.
On my high school differential aptitude test back in the 60's I scored in the 35th percentile in spelling, but my highest percentile scores were 99th in matrix reasoning, 90th in spatial reasoning, 85th in mechanical reasoning, and 80th in verbal reasoning.
But I flunked out of high school.

Most girls in my generation went on to get clerical jobs. but I couldn't spell or type. I typed slow and made a lot of mistakes. I scored in the 5th percentile in clerical.
I ended up being a single mom on welfare until I took some programming classes at a community college in the 80's
and went on to be a mainframe programmer for over two decades.
You sure showed all those girls who went on to be secretaries! That is awesome that you were able to find your way like that.


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