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18 Jul 2016, 7:06 pm

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A good friend of mine is not white but was adopted into a white family at birth. She has a white identity. After listening to her for a couple of minutes you forget that she's not white, even though she clearly is another race. This has seriously affected her identity. Her best friend is the same race and was also adopted into a white family, so I think that helps her a lot.

I think being treated as white does something odd to a person who is not biologically white. I'm not prepared to say it's bad, but I think it's not natural and so it's hard for a person raised that way to adjust. These days, adoption agencies are supposed to be more careful about transracial adoption and make sure to place kids with parents who will be sensitive to their biological race and not erase it. Obviously, this isn't your issue, but it might be interesting to you anyway.

There is a very difficult to read book by Toni Morrison called The Bluest Eye. I was forced to read it in college, otherwise there's no way I would have gotten through the subject matter. But the main character in the book was a little black girl who wanted blue eyes so badly that she thought she did have blue eyes. She overcame terrible things that happened to her by disassociating from herself and her race. Anyway, it was an excellent book, if hard to get through. I recommend the Wikipedia page (in the link I posted) for people who are interested but don't want to commit to the whole book.

Interesting. That might explain why I sometimes passed as Icelandic in Iceland despite looking Latina or white/Asian.


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18 Jul 2016, 7:16 pm

When did you go to Iceland?

Did you like it there?



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18 Jul 2016, 7:36 pm

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When did you go to Iceland?

Did you like it there?

I went for my fifteenth birthday in October. It was nice and refreshing.


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18 Jul 2016, 7:38 pm

It's not hard to get to Iceland these days, if you ever want to go back there.



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18 Jul 2016, 7:42 pm

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It's not hard to get to Iceland these days, if you ever want to go back there.

I'd rather go to northern Finland.
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18 Jul 2016, 8:02 pm

I suppose I wouldn't mind going there, either.

But it is MUCH harder to get there. You'd have to get a flight to Helsinki.....then an internal Finnish flight.

But many tourists go there. Ivalo is the northernmost relatively large town.

Do you know how to speak Finnish?

You can round trip from Helsinki to Ivalo for $298 US Dollars.



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19 Jul 2016, 1:55 am

I don't understand this constant "race" angst of yours either. But I assumed distinctions of "race" were part of the socialization process which is probably why I don't understand.
Practically though, what difference does it make to you what ethnicity you appear? Are you being treated badly on the basis of racism because of it? Is your perceived ethnicity barring you from education or social situations or relationships? Is it because you feel different and alienated from those around you because of how you appear?
What is the point in worrying about it?
I currently live in a very multicultural city, and as a result perhaps I find myself blind to these kinds of distinctions.
It does not matter to me if the person is black, white, indigenous, immigrant, male, female, whatever.
The only time "race" occurs to me is if racism comes into it, often in higher homogenous crowds. I disagree with racism philosophically and don't enjoy having that attitude pushed on me. Otherwise, it's null.
You said you focus on this because you're uncomfortable with your sexuality and obsessing about this is a distraction. I can commiserate with that logic. However, you might benefit more from seeing someone qualified to help you work out the underlying unease - like a sex therapist or councillor experienced in areas of sexual identity - instead of going on this racism tangent instead, which could be quite damaging.


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19 Jul 2016, 2:28 am

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I don't understand this constant "race" angst of yours either. But I assumed distinctions of "race" were part of the socialization process which is probably why I don't understand.
Practically though, what difference does it make to you what ethnicity you appear? Are you being treated badly on the basis of racism because of it? Is your perceived ethnicity barring you from education or social situations or relationships? Is it because you feel different and alienated from those around you because of how you appear?
What is the point in worrying about it?
I currently live in a very multicultural city, and as a result perhaps I find myself blind to these kinds of distinctions.
It does not matter to me if the person is black, white, indigenous, immigrant, male, female, whatever.
The only time "race" occurs to me is if racism comes into it, often in higher homogenous crowds. I disagree with racism philosophically and don't enjoy having that attitude pushed on me. Otherwise, it's null.
You said you focus on this because you're uncomfortable with your sexuality and obsessing about this is a distraction. I can commiserate with that logic. However, you might benefit more from seeing someone qualified to help you work out the underlying unease - like a sex therapist or councillor experienced in areas of sexual identity - instead of going on this racism tangent instead, which could be quite damaging.

Pretty much. Having slightly Asian/Native features or Spanish features hasn't really affected the way people treat me. It does make me extremely unphotogenic, but plenty of white people are as well. I just have an extremely awkward appearance in general. I have chipmunk cheeks which I really hate. That hasn't led to racism, but I think it makes me seem unsophisticated. I'm doing all I can go change the shape of my face.

I just don't know how to find a counselor that will help me deal with my sexuality. I'm not even sure if it's a sexuality issue to begin with. It just seems like all possible sexualities make me unhappy. What I do to cope with my sexuality is tell people I'm asexual, even though I know I experience some sexual attraction. That helps me dodge bisexual stereotypes and unwanted male attention.


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19 Jul 2016, 3:07 am

i never really cared about identity. i just know that if i stay within the law and achieve a level of self sufficiency, then that is all that matters.
i do not care whether i can explain why i think as i do, or look as i do, or like what i like, or dislike what i dislike or whatever.
i just know i am the way i am, and i only ever see life through my own eyes.



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19 Jul 2016, 5:22 am

Right on.

I think that you have probably just made a great insight about yourself: that this "race" obsession you have had is just a distraction from your real issues. So stay focused on your real issues, and put "race" aside.

To change the subject slightly: One of the hottest babes on the planet is actress Jennifer Lawrence (Hunger Games, and a zillion other recent movies) who looks thoroughly White (blue eyed,often-but-not-always blonde, light skinned) and yet upon close inspection she does NOT look thoroughly White ( she has slightly wide cheekbones and has a slightly Asian look in her bone structure). She looks like many Russian women (some of the hottest of whom also have that combination of European coloration with a slightly Asian bone structure).

It's interesting that folks in Iceland think you're a native. The most famous Icelandic person since Lief Ericson is the singer Bjork who also has a distinctive look that combines (what are usually thought of as) Asian with European features.And I am not the only male who finds Bjork pleasing to look at.

Whether, and how, Jennifer Lawrence has Asian DNA I dont know because she seems to be of thoroughly British Isles ancestry (Russia borders Asia, and Bjorks Viking ancestors came from Scandanavia where there is some Asian/Lapp gene flow). But I digress. Race is not really the issue. Its body image.

My point is that you DO have glamorous role models for your facial type. So I would recommend that you change your thinking: build on what you have (nothing wrong with what you have) rather than try to "change" your facial type.



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19 Jul 2016, 6:08 am

Am I the only person who wants to see a photo of the OP poster. You've stoked the coals of our curiosity please send us a picture.

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19 Jul 2016, 6:21 am

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Am I the only person who wants to see a photo of the OP poster. You've stoked the coals of our curiosity please send us a picture.

Please.


errkkkk! whatever but what a lame response.



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19 Jul 2016, 7:33 am

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Am I the only person who wants to see a photo of the OP poster. You've stoked the coals of our curiosity please send us a picture.

Please.


She is a long time member and prolific poster who has already posted many selfies that most of the rest of us on this thread have already seen.

Just click her previous posts on her profile and you will find her face at various angles, and with various hairstyles.



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19 Jul 2016, 7:44 am

yeah and once you know what she looks like you will then be able to choose whether you like her or not.



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19 Jul 2016, 11:31 am

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I think being treated as white does something odd to a person who is not biologically white. I'm not prepared to say it's bad, but I think it's not natural and so it's hard for a person raised that way to adjust. These days, adoption agencies are supposed to be more careful about transracial adoption and make sure to place kids with parents who will be sensitive to their biological race and not erase it. Obviously, this isn't your issue, but it might be interesting to you anyway.


What exactly do you mean by biological race? I thought biologists agree that there are no distinctive human "races" and that this is a social construct. What does being treated as white mean? White is the color of my skin, not a distinction of my culture. If all of my country was black, I assume we would be pretty much the same, although less interested in sunbathing and more into hairdressing.

When I was little, a lot of kids were adopted from Korea. Apart from being more sensitive to milk products and alcohol, I can't say those kids were much different from the other kids around.

I do get it that in a multicultural society, when a child is adopted from another minority people might have stereotyped ideas about them until they get to know them, but I assume that is a reflection of stereotypes that abound in that particular society, and is not universal.

I am sometimes frustrated when talking to black Americans because they seem to expect me to know about some racial stereotyping that is unique to the US. How the hell would I know what white Americans think about black Americans, I am not a white American. This is not a problem when talking to people from Africa. They are themselves and I am myself.


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19 Jul 2016, 11:37 am

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What exactly do you mean by biological race?


there are caucasoids and negroids and mongoloids and australoids. they are all different from each other in many ways.