Should my brother go off his medication in this case?

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06 Jan 2017, 9:50 am

What's the deal with these prostitutes? I mean, this is a pretty significant part of the story.

Prostitutes don't want to have sex with their clients. They're trapped in a terrible situation. I don't think many people can understand what it's really like for them, since not many people escape that way of life, but I think it's safe to say that they're not out there having a good time.

That being said, what does it do to a person to have their only intimate encounters being with people who are being trafficked or forcing themselves to have sex with you? That has to make your brother feel awful. He really can't be allowed to keep doing that. I see that as serious as a heroin addiction. And I do not say that lightly.

It sounds to me like he's trying to destroy himself. You guys need to find out why he has such a hatred for himself. That's the real problem here.



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06 Jan 2017, 11:48 am

When women are not particularly sociable, some men are just itemizing what they have to offer.

There is normally nothing to negotiate.

A couple of life skills, which have been discussed, here, this week --
Keeping score
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, ie. The same rules apply to all parties, involved.

What if men were trafficked. Are they still culpable.



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06 Jan 2017, 8:54 pm

ironpony wrote:
Of course I am concerned about the women! I said in my OP that I am concerned about how he is responding to them and how he is treating them. What I meant was, I was concerned for them too.

I just made the thread about my bro, since the source of the insulting language, is coming from him, so I wanted to see if I could do anything to help the source, of the problem, which lies in him. That's all.

But then I am told things like this:

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There comes a point in a mans life where he just doesn't care about being nice and respectful anymore, because he realizes he's never going to get it back in return.

Instead of blaming it on medication, perhaps try and see it from his perspective.


...And think okay, maybe I should see things from his perspective. But if he is making women feel bad, that is probably a bad thing, that needs help though, right?

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I wonder how much of a fair shake women need to give your brother before they deserve basic human respect? Are they to say hello when they see him? Smile sweetly no matter what he says to them? Maybe they are required to date him, even if they aren't into him? Maybe they should have sex with him? Even if they don't want to and the thought disgusts them? Would that make them worthy of basic human respect? Perhaps they should keep their eyes lowered in his presense?


As far as I know, he is actually nice to women when he persues, them but if they reject him, and he feels it was based on his autistic behavior or symptoms, he then decides to give them a piece of his mind about it. But I usually here about the instances afterwords, and have not witnesses any actual direct account of how it happens yet.

But I don't think that this is him doing this, I think it's the medication, and it's replaced the shame he was feeling before, with a narcissistic pride it seems, or at least that is what I am seeing.


The problem with this is that nice isn't really nice unless you continue to be nice when the person isn't doing exactly what you want them to do. Everybody is nice when things are going exactly our way.

Honestly, some of those rejections are probably based on his autistic behaviors. It probably really is hard for your brother to find women who are able to accept his autistic mannerisms. But the ADA (Americans with disabilities act) guarantees people with disabilities equal access to housing, education, and employment. It does not guarantee equal access to pussy-time. Sex isn't a human right and nobody is owed any woman's attention.

I get that you can't really answer for your brother. You can, at least, not encourage his rage by putting forth the idea that it's justified. You can continue to express that you love him and that you are concerned that this behavior is going to get him into trouble. There is a certain amount of letting other people make their own mistakes that needs to happen.

As for the medication, that is a question that only your brother can answer. If you parents have medical guardianship, they may have some control, but it doesn't sound like they do. If he's an adult, he's got to decide for himself if he's better off with or without it.



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06 Jan 2017, 9:25 pm

Personally, from all the information you, and others have presented, (and I am not a Doctor) it sounds like he is having a MAJOR reaction to his meds. I can relate, since I had massive anger, finance, and eating problems while I was on different meds. (Prozac made me meaner than a cornered raccoon, Effexor, gave me massive tinnitus, amitriphyline, made me act like a drunk, Celexa made me a zombie, buspar did absolutely nothing for my anxiety, and Viibryd made me suicidal, made me high, and made my tinnitus permanent. And you wonder why I have no faith in antipsychotics?) if I were you, I'd be taking him to his psychiatrist, tell him or her the behaviors he has been exhibiting, and have him or her draw up a plan to titrate off this drugs. Otherwise, he may end up either in jail or dead.

That's my $.02, based on personal experience.



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06 Jan 2017, 10:54 pm

somanyspoons wrote:
The problem with this is that nice isn't really nice unless you continue to be nice when the person isn't doing exactly what you want them to do. Everybody is nice when things are going exactly our way.

Honestly, some of those rejections are probably based on his autistic behaviors. It probably really is hard for your brother to find women who are able to accept his autistic mannerisms. But the ADA (Americans with disabilities act) guarantees people with disabilities equal access to housing, education, and employment. It does not guarantee equal access to pussy-time. Sex isn't a human right and nobody is owed any woman's attention.

I get that you can't really answer for your brother. You can, at least, not encourage his rage by putting forth the idea that it's justified. You can continue to express that you love him and that you are concerned that this behavior is going to get him into trouble. There is a certain amount of letting other people make their own mistakes that needs to happen.


I cannot agree more with everything Somanyspoons has said in this thread, and that last paragraph I've quoted is really good advice.



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14 Jan 2017, 2:21 am

Okay thanks. So if the psychotherapist says he should stay on them, then should we just see what happens and hope this is all a phase within him?



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14 Jan 2017, 3:03 am

ANY drug is ALWAYS mind-altering/mood-changing.
Anybody who thinks otherwise is Delusional.

What your friend needs is a proper re-programming of his sub-conscious mind via some form of hypno-therapy. Yes, I think he needs to get off the drugs and learn to eat healthy foods instead, but psycho-active drugs are NOT things that can simply be quit cold-turkey in a safe-manner. Had a friend from around a decade ago who had been on Prozac all of his life (due to Psychiatric Swine), and I did not know just how dangerous Psychotropic-Drugs were at the time, and he believed me when I thought and also believed at the time that quitting Cold-Turkey would be the best/fastest way to detox the poisons from his system. The result ? I get a call from his dad, less than two days since we had last met somewhere, and was informed that my friend committed suicide from hanging himself. That was devastating... I have reason to believe that my friend was autistic and I had basically been his best friend at the time (possibly only friend and in many ways vice-versa).

I DO «know» that hypno-therapy DOES «work» and has been a successful method of treatment, even according to many people on these boards, for their psychological-issues/ailments/problems/phobias/addictions/etc., even when all other treatment-methods had failed. The re-programming of the sub-conscious mind is essentially the needle-in-the-hay-stack that seems to evade/elude society due to the Industry of Psychiatry having become a Dangerous Drug-Pushing Cult-Religion.

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What do you think?


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14 Jan 2017, 3:21 am

Okay thanks... I am really sorry to hear about your friend, that's terrible!

I already suggested hypnotherapy to my parents before, but they said they do not believe in it, for religious/spiritual reasons. So they threw that one out already, without even giving it a second thought, cause they are just really against the belief of hypnotism.

They said that if his sub-conscious mind is completely changed around, he will become a different person and loose his identity, so to speak.



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14 Jan 2017, 12:13 pm

Your parents are not «sane» and neither are any «Fundamentalist» Religions;
They are most-certainly more Religious than Spiritual if they cannot «humble» themselves enough to listen to «contra/opposing» view-points for long enough (and in this case at ALL) in order to try and understand the reasons/logic/minds/mentality behind how anybody could possibly come to the conclusion of the effectiveness of hypno-therapy style techniques/methods.

The only result that can come out of willful-ignorance is more «suffering» bestowed upon those who continue to be so vain and arrogant. Dogmatism has never been the answer to anything throughout ALL of history. This refusal to listen/learn about view-points from sources other than what they are taught by ONE Institution/Religion is also, believe it or not, itself a «Mental-Illness» that has a grip over a minimum of at least 98% of the entire world's populations (i.e. : the entire world is essentially trapped by multitudes of beliefs that are the exact-OPPOSITE of Reality).

I can guarantee that the Drugs/Medications of your Bro IS a contributing «source» towards what IS causing his Behavioural-Changes. Like I said at the beginning, ALL «Drugs» are Mind-Altering and Mood-Changing substances, even if it's "merely" sugar (the processed/refined/unnatural-versions : for sugar causes hyper-activity followed by lethargy and also has «addictive» properties where the «withdrawal-symptoms» are generally that of «easily agitated/annoyed» and other such tapering effects). Anybody who cannot «see» this Reality is ironically «controlled» by «spirit-forces» themselves, and your Bro IS already «losing his identity» to forces that are able to «enter into his mind» as a result of the DRUGS that enable such «demonic-realms of sub-consciousness» to access his «mind» in the first place!

Many people already accept it as FACTUAL that drugs like Cocaine and Heroine are «Mind-Altering» substances. Even the FDA has classified Psycho-Active/Psycho-Tropic Drugs as Schedule II Controlled Substances and, if you do not yet know what that means, this is basically saying that Psychiatric-Meds/Medications ARE essentially in the same «classification» as Heroin/Cocaine/etc. I don't care if it's Prozac, Levitra, Zanex, Benzodiazapines, Invega, ANY other so-called Anti-Depressant/Anti-Psychotic/Anti-This/Anti-That/Anti-What-Ever, they are ALL deadly, they ALL contain Neuro-Toxins, and there was even a 14.4$ BILLION law-suit against Eli Lily (the makers of the so-called Anti-Psychotic Drug known as Zyprexa). Ignorance is NOT «Bliss» for ignorance is what leads to endless and eternal-suffering and Woe unto Those who are Willfully Ignorant. It's like, wow, God-forbid we bother trying to recognise truth as truth but instead promote deception-by-precedent as-if though it were somehow infallible !

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Okay thanks... I am really sorry to hear about your friend, that's terrible!

I already suggested hypnotherapy to my parents before, but they said they do not believe in it, for religious/spiritual reasons. So they threw that one out already, without even giving it a second thought, cause they are just really against the belief of hypnotism.

They said that if his sub-conscious mind is completely changed around, he will become a different person and loose his identity, so to speak.


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16 Jan 2017, 12:39 am

Well I don't know what to do. I feel that this is outside my control, and not my decision to override, so not sure what to do at this point. I mean if hypnotherapy is so good, then why wasn't that recommended to him instead of these involuntary celibacy drama drugs in the first place...



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16 Jan 2017, 1:45 am

The «Psychiatric» industry is essentially a Materialist Cult which is why.
Most people in Western cultures are still full of extreme ignorance over «spiritual» realities after all.
Furthermore, if Celibacy Drama Drugs were so Good, then why are they NOT working to «help» people ?
Listen to this Lady and even get her Book and read the Reviews and buy said book for your Parents...


ironpony wrote:
Well I don't know what to do. I feel that this is outside my control, and not my decision to override, so not sure what to do at this point. I mean if hypnotherapy is so good, then why wasn't that recommended to him instead of these involuntary celibacy drama drugs in the first place...

Let me help you put this into perspective. I will quote ONE paragraph from Chapter VI of a well-researched book...
Ian Currie wrote:
In fact, there is a good deal of evidence that experiences like this are not particularly rare. This conviction began, in my case, with personal experiences. As soon as it became “known” among my friends, acquaintances, and students that I was interested in “psychic” aspects of death, people began to approach me – always very quietly and privately, always with personal anguish, to confide their possession experiences with me. These experiences were highly disruptive of their personal lives. When they were not openly terrified at what had happened to them, they were very badly frightened. Although all were desperate for help, not one had seriously considered consulting a psychiatrist, since, they explained, the “influence” affecting them was external. It did not come from their minds – its source was discarnate, but they had no hope of convincing any psychiatrist of this. They knew they would be told that they were having hallucinations, or a psychotic or schizophrenic episode, and that they should have medication and perhaps hospitalization. It was not merely that they had no confidence in such judgments; they knew them to be untrue. And one of them said something to me that I will never forget. He said, “The most terrifying thing for me was that you were going to tell me it was all in my head.” I was his last hope for a non-psychiatric understanding of what he knew was happening to him – that he was being taken over.

The Paragraph I just quoted comes from a book that was authored by Ian Currie.
The ISBN of said book is : 0-416-00191-2
The Paragraph comes from Chapter VI which is the chapter on Spirit-Possession.
This book's CopyRight comes from as far back as 1978 by the way.


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24 Jun 2017, 3:12 am

Well my brother's behavior finally got the better of him and now he is in some legal trouble because of it, it seems. Or maybe just civil trouble. However, is he keeps getting more and more depressed and angry cause of how he is constantly rejected cause of his autism, which is finally causing him to snap more and more.

Is there any hope for him? I mean he can't make friends or form any relationships no matter how hard he tries, so is the situation perhaps just hopeless, and there is nothing for him to do but just be patient and wait one day till he dies, and moves onto a better place hopefully?



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28 Sep 2017, 10:34 am

At least he has a brother and a family that cares about him. In my opinion that's all that really matters.

Many people, including me, are not so fortunate to have a brother and parents and family that truly cares about them. I feel so alone many times like I have no one who actually cares about me.

And yes women can be really mean and shallow, especially pretty young girls.

Some guy has said that many women in this generation are just whores who will just complicate your life and that you are better off without them.



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28 Sep 2017, 11:48 pm

Which guy said that?



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21 Mar 2018, 12:09 am

My brother has gotten worse since I last posted on this thread. Now he is so bitter and angry he says he is having thoughts, of committing violence towards women and taking advantage of them for all the rejection that is happening to him.

Is he just destined to get worse and worse cause nothing will help him and society will just keep pushing him into a corner, and we should just accept it and nothing is going to change. Or is there something we can actually do to help him?



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21 Mar 2018, 10:20 am

Do your parents know?