Can an aspie has low IQ/mental retardation?

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Cognitive development is the process where a child learns about processing the world around them, language skills etc. By saying there has to be no significant delay in this it means the child should be developing those skills at roughly the same age and rate as their peers.

Since you're taking the piss over "my definition", where's your source?

My diagnostic report states IQ has to be in the normal range, and searching "cognitive delay" you get "my" incorrect definition show up numerous times. Some examples of these:

http://www.edu.gov.nf.ca/special/cognitive.htm

http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/symptom/c ... -delay.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_deficit

http://bestpractice.bmj.com/best-practi ... h/884.html

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/script/m ... 588&page=1

I could keep posting examples, but I'm sure you can also use search engines and see it keeps coming up. What's up with my doctors and all these pages being incorrect?

You're giving the definition of "cognitive delay" or "cognitive deficit" however the diagnostic criteria mentioned delay in cognitive development. I know the two phrases share some words but they mean very different things.

Where's your source?

Ok, so this comes up:

http://www.icd10data.com/ICD10CM/Codes/ ... 9/F88-/F88

It comes up with global developmental delay, put into Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_de ... ntal_delay

Intellectual disability comes up again.

Source of what? We're just talking about the English language and its interpretation. You are implying that "delay in cognitive development" is the same thing as "cognitive delay" when it isn't. I don't know how I can explain it any clearer than simply asking you to see that the two phrases have different words in a different order so mean different things.

I believe I had a cognitive delay. I didn't understand lot of things and didn't understand what went on around me and I have been amazed at how much my son understood at three years of age and at that age I didn't understand things to his level at that age. But mine was more base don language because I had a language delay so I didn't understand lot of stuff. They dropped that for me from the criteria because I had hearing loss when I was a toddler. But the criteria doesn't state of course for cognitive delay is not explained by hearing loss. It just says there is no cognitive delay nor is there any problems with self help skills nor is there a lack of curiosity in their childhood environment so that implies they should be developing normally and reaching all their milestones besides social and joint attention and having restrictive interests and repetitive behaviors. But there is executive dysfunction and that can affect self help skills so according to the criteria, they wouldn't have AS then. Same as if they had problems with motor skills and it kept them from being able to tie their shoes or button up or zip zippers or holding a tooth brush and brushing their teeth.

On what "delay is cognitive development" actually means. Where is your source, or are you being a hypocrite? And look at my link:

Global developmental delay = delay in cognitive and physical development. 

Global developmental delay = intellectual disability and failure to thrive

So

Delay in cognitive development = intellectual disability, delay in physical development = failure to thrive


There's a lot I didn't understand too and I was completely oblivious to so much, I'd have thought it's expected in ASD though.

I also remember that a few mounths ago I saw this girl in the bus she was normal (she didn't seem that she has problem) and she sits quietly in a seat but when she saw an old man to embark on the bus she asked him loudly if he want to sit down and the other passengers looked at her. Can a person with mental retardation looks like normal?

Pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified.

Or, as the mom of a young man so diagnosed explained it to me once, it means "we dont know WTF is wrong with the kid".

The dictionary.



That's like me saying

Car = vehicle

Car = mode of transport

Milk = mode of transport

I can't help that you don't understand that when words are different and in a different order they mean different things.

Yes.

Which one?


This is an incredibly poor effort strawman and it says a lot that you'd rather make this than address what I'm saying.


And I can't help but think you don't understand there are different ways to say the same thing.

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That's not true, it's just how their behavior was interpreted. Now people know many people with autism want friends.

An English one. Any one. Just pick one, or google it, it's not hard to find the definition of cognitive development, and then to google the word "delay" to get its meaning. Next you put the two together. Science.



Your argument is that "cognitive deficit" and "delay in cognitive development" are the same thing. Your argument couldn't get any more straw than it already is. If I appear dismissive it is because your argument is simply ridiculous to any sensible person. So maybe we can tackle it another way, as as well as your already straw argument you're also trying to make me prove a negative which obviously no-one can do, so how about this....you link me a credible source that clearly states you must have an IQ over 70 to have AS. Until you can find and post that link you say nothing else, is that fair? After all I'm simply asking you to prove your assertion (and please don't ask me to prove it isn't that way as to restate the above you can't prove a negative).

Why are you acting this way?
Instead of babbling nonsense about nonexistent strawmen it wouldn't kill ya to admit that you didn't know something that most folks know. A bachelor is by definition single. So a married man cant be a bachelor (by definition). There is nothing to debate.

Same with aspergers. If you aspie traits, but a low IQ then they lump you into another autistic category than asperters. And the definition of low IQ is "under 70". So by definition a person with below 70 cannot be officially classified an aspie. Its what it is.

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Asperger's Syndrome: Normal IQ

Date First Published: April 2, 2007
Date Last Updated: November 23, 2010

A great many individuals with autism are also intellectually disabled. 1 Those with Asperger's syndrome, in contrast, must by definition have suffered no cognitive delay during their first 3 years of life. 2 This means that they will usually have at least a “normal” IQ. In some cases, their IQ may be very high, even in the genius range. There are, however, different kinds of smarts.

Your IQ can be through the stratosphere, and you can still have an impaired ability to read the social world, so much so that you struggle to navigate the social complexities in school, workplace, or community.

Having a normal or better IQ can obviously be a good thing. It is a gift, permitting a person to learn and know, to push the envelope of intellectual ability, to rejoice in the pursuit of some realm of knowledge. It is also a major benefit as the person copes with his disability, giving him more to work with as he tries to find ways to compensate for areas of weakness.

It can be a double-edged sword, however, both gift and curse. When someone is aware he is different, when, for all his intelligence, he is having a difficult time making friends, or getting a date, or keeping a job, he may end up far more prone to depression and despair than a less aware person with a lower IQ. It has indeed been found that children with both high-functioning autism and Asperger's suffer from depression and anxiety more than their typical peers. 3

Another disadvantage of that normal-to-high intelligence is that many will take it to mean the person is not disabled, period. If he’s getting good grades, doing OK on standardized tests, or has an advanced vocabulary, how could he possibly have a real disability? People fail to understand, believing that, if he has trouble interacting, it must be due to personal failings, and the “disability” label is just an excuse. He may be viewed by a grade school teacher, for example, as an impossible, oppositional brat. His parents, meanwhile, may be viewed as incompetent, his “willfully” bad behavior assumed to be a reflection of permissive parenting or a messed up home life. Writes Tony Attwood:

“Strangers may consider the child to be rude, inconsiderate or spoilt, giving parents a withering look and assuming the unusual social behavior is a result of parental incompetence. They may comment, ‘Well, if I had him for two weeks he would be a different child.’ The parents’ reaction may be that they would gladly let them have the child, as they need a rest, and to prove a point. It is essential that other people understand that the child is not being rude, but did not know a more tactful alternative or appreciate the effect on other people.” 4

One of the biggest challenges for anyone advocating for a person with Asperger's is to convey the true extent of the disability to others, to counter the instant assumption that “high IQ” equates with “non-disabled.” In truth, people with Asperger's are socially-emotionally far behind their chronological age, and may seem, despite intellectual achievements, very young, naïve, and unaware of the complexities of social reality. They are not intellectually, but socially, disabled.

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