Aspergers is a form of schizophrenia?

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03 Apr 2017, 1:06 pm

Firemonkey, based on your pattern of posts, PPD would be a good description of where you fit diagnostically. It can cause a schizoid pattern of social isolation. It might be a better explanation for your problems, rather than a diagnosis of Asperger's/HFA.

Dialectical Behavioral Therapy with individual and group treatment components are the gold standard for PD treatment. You have to be willing to heal deep core trauma, which can be tough for some individuals. It requires persistence in treatment, sometimes for many years before major breakthroughs are made.


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03 Apr 2017, 1:12 pm

antnego wrote:

The etiology is different and psychosis is not a diagnostic criteria in PPD. .


It may not be a diagnostic criteria but psychosis can occur. I have the diagnosis and the tx I receive is a depot antipsychotic ,risperdal consta. Having searched there does seem to be considerable disagreement as to the use of antipsychotics for PPD.


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03 Apr 2017, 1:19 pm

antnego wrote:
Firemonkey, based on your pattern of posts, PPD would be a good description of where you fit diagnostically. It can cause a schizoid pattern of social isolation. It might be a better explanation for your problems, rather than a diagnosis of Asperger's/HFA.

Dialectical Behavioral Therapy with individual and group treatment components are the gold standard for PD treatment. You have to be willing to heal deep core trauma, which can be tough for some individuals. It requires persistence in treatment, sometimes for many years before major breakthroughs are made.


And yet I have problems with social interaction significantly pre-dating any manifestation of paranoia . Indeed as explained the paranoia was a reaction to negative peer reaction(being bullied,ostracised) due to physical and social awkwardness.


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03 Apr 2017, 1:57 pm

It's on the internet, so obviously it must be true because all information on the internet is 100% correct and accurate, uploaded by geniuses and experts. :roll:

Okay, sarcasm aside, this is absolute garbage.



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03 Apr 2017, 2:38 pm

firemonkey wrote:
antnego wrote:
Schizophrenics often isolate due to stigma/shame surrounding their sx, as well as paranoia (usually grandiose, persecutory or somehow out-of-touch with reality). Autistics isolate due to social phobia and/or lack of social skills, based in their "different" brain wiring.


I wonder how you would place someone like me. Paranoia(avoidant) and social anxiety are big reasons I tend to isolate. The paranoia and social anxiety stemming from negative peer reactions to my physical and social awkwardness as a child and,especially, a teenager.

I have been described as having very poor social skills.


Someone who is LITERALLY "paranoid" (in the clinical sense) would be the stereotypical "tin hatter" who thinks they are the victim of vast conspiracies (by the KGB, or the Vatican, or the Reptoids). You notice your neighbor trim his hedges, and you jump to the conclusion that he is doing it so it wont block the cameras he has pointed at your house to keep tabs on you for CIA:thats what "paranoia" looks like.

In contrast: If you got burned as a child growing up because of other kids bullying/ridiculing you,you understandibly might well be suspicious that folks are out to ridicule you even now. So you are still "paranoid" (in the loose exagerated nonclinical sense that most folks use the word "paranoid" nowadays), but thats just being pessimistic, and mildly suspicious. That's not real clinical "paranoia".



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03 Apr 2017, 3:09 pm

antnego wrote:
Schizophrenics often isolate due to stigma/shame surrounding their sx, as well as paranoia (usually grandiose, persecutory or somehow out-of-touch with reality). Autistics isolate due to social phobia and/or lack of social skills, based in their "different" brain wiring. This difference in brain wiring and the misinterpretation of social cues can make it very stressful to interact with others.


Ha Ha , I fit both categories although I've been told I'm not schizophrenic - sometimes I doubt this. For me I isolate because of what I believe is a social phobia which cripples my social skills although it appears to be based on some sort of paranoia persecutory complex and I sometimes misintepret things due to referential thinking. I think most of my symptoms can also be explained by OCD.


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03 Apr 2017, 4:26 pm

I used to believe I was getting schizophrenia because I would hear a sound and no one would hear it or hear someone say something but misunderstand them and I mistook those for hallucinations. Also I would remember something but someone would remember it differently and I mistook that as a delusion. My mom would get upset with me when I would get upset about it or bring it up and then show her the "proof" by pointing out the "symptoms" to her whenever they would happen and she would go "Oh stop" instead of reassuring me and telling me why it's not a symptom. My therapist was the only one who took me seriously so he gave me a verbal text for it and told me I didn't have it and explained why and told me what people with it experience. I also decided if I do start to get true schizophrenia, I will not be in denial and I will go seek immediate help. Then I watched A beautiful Mind and decided I didn't have schizophrenia because none of my "delusions" were like that nor my "hallucinations." Plus they didn't cause me any problems in life so there. No concern unless it gets worse and then I will go to my doctor. Also I found out schizophrenia is more than hallucinations and delusions. There is disorganized thinking, the apathy and extreme lack of motivation in life, cognitive impairments with memory. Even schizophrenia is filled with stereotypes and Hollywood always portrays it as delusions and hallucinations only and them being violent and acting all erratic and being paranoid like thinking someone is spying on them. My ex had none of that so I didn't know he had a form of schizophrenia. So maybe he really wasn't lazy and it was just his illness but for years I thought he played me a fiddle and manipulated me and used me and I thought he was making up excuses to not do things and it would always make me angry. I also wondered if he really was that stupid or just being an a**hole but I will never know. I could list examples but then it would make my post long.


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03 Apr 2017, 5:28 pm

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... they can often be seen talking to themselves, when in reality they are creating a world of their own that feels comfortable in their own mind and verbally express those characters that actually relate to loneliness ...
Oh that brings back memories of feeling snarky when asked "Are you talking to yourself?" and responding, "Yes; it's the most intelligent conversation I've had all day."


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04 Apr 2017, 7:46 am

firemonkey wrote:
antnego wrote:

Paranoia arises from psychotic thought distortions you have no control over - it just happens regardless of social context. The suspicions arising from paranoia are usually impossible and completely inconsistent with reality.


Then how do you account for paranoid personality disorder(a dx I have)? It is not regarded as a psychotic disorder although brief spells of psychosis can occur.


I think paranoia can be an overcompensation for bieng naive and constantly taken advantage of due to Autism related poor cognitive empathy or bieng continually abused because of autistic traits. I can envision as a defense mechanism believing every action by everybody towered you is designed to take advantage of you.


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06 Apr 2017, 11:50 pm

I am doing ongoing reading on the overlaps and spaces there are with the two conditions, I was going to explore the possibility of being schizophrenic if I had not been an autistic. The 'childhood schizophrenia' thing has resonated with me since I first read it as it suggested there was more going on than having issues communicating, that our brains were profoundly affected by a condition enough for it to be considered alongside something so devastating. I don't know why I feel some 'comfort' in having my condition attached to another in order to legitimize it or whatever, I get mightily frustrated that understanding autism from the outside is often still very patchy and appreciation of the depth it affects lives can waver. Sometimes I feel like people don't quite get that communication problems are not all that we have, communication problems were only one reason I sought a diagnosis, the more I read on autism, the more I found to inquire and hold up against my life's complexities.



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07 Apr 2017, 1:23 pm

same lady also posted this:


so she clearly has no clue what she is talking about


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07 Apr 2017, 9:23 pm

The person making this claim reminds me of a nut who posts in the comment sections of YouTube videos on autism.

She claims autistics are brain damaged and that melt downs are seizures.

Why?

Because her child has seizures and is (she claims) brain damaged. The child is also diagnosed as autistic.

It's been explained to her again and again that while HER child might have seizures, that doesn't mean other autistics do, or that melt downs are seizures. Same thing about brain damage. It might be true with HER child, but not all people on the spectrum.

Her response?

"But my child's been diagnosed as having brain damage and seizures!"

She just doesn't get it. Nobody's saying her child doesn't have these problems, but the fact the kid does can't be used as a basis for saying ALL autistics do.

Again, she just can't grasp that concept.

Sometimes things said to her have been pretty blunt, even caustic, but she's so wrapped up in herself and her situation that she's spreading lies about everyone on the spectrum.

These people are annoying and dangerous. I wish there was a way to stop their mis-information campaign, a campaign that, I'm sorry to say, they think is legit.

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Oh, good grief!
I just looked at the YT page for the video just above. In the video description, she says this-
"Looking for Amphibious Aliens, The Silver Salamander, Etiole, Watchers, Grigori Angels, or The World's Most Haunted Car? You want this playlist:..."
This woman is a nut.


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08 Apr 2017, 3:55 am

teksla wrote:
same lady also posted this:


so she clearly has no clue what she is talking about


Talk about "multitasking"!

Imagine Walter Kronkite doing a newscast from a dashboard cam while driving himself to the grocery store, and to the drycleaners! Or the POTUS doing his state of the Union Address while driving himself to Jiffy Lube!

I hope she doesnt do her podcasts while driving in my neighborhood. She gotta be at least as big danger on the road as a drunk, or a texter.

I couldnt take five seconds of watching it. Partially because of the annoying road noise, and partially because the fact that shes dumb enough to drive and podcast at the same time destroys the credibility whatever she is about to say! Lol!



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06 Nov 2021, 4:59 pm

i have ppd, its very hard to manage relationsips with it, i also have hfa



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06 Nov 2021, 5:06 pm

There are parallels.


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