Thesis on aspergers:

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I've created number bookmarks to on your quotes to match your questions to my answers.

1. It is hypothesized that aspergers and autistic people have trouble with connecting to other people as well as different things as a result of that. There's a rhyme and reason to why asperger people connect to say unusual hobbies and become intense at it is because when they fixate on that desired object, it is said he/she must have stimulated the frontal lobe which then connected to that particularly hobby or object, as in having "awareness" or bringing that object into his or her world . Hence, connect with it. The serotonin and dopamine becomes intense because they don't understand why they are particular fond of that object or why regular routine that feels so good or "natural" to them, they keep doing it to retain that feeling over and over again. When they rest or stop playing with that object, they go back to having high DNM. The whole idea is to try and get the aspergus person to replicate that feeling, that intensity and fixation of awareness of their hobby or object and to be able to sustain/control in all situations. Particularly social situations. Hence connection with people and the surrounding world instead of using all their awareness and fixation on one thing.

2. I agree. The frontal lobe being very important part of the brain that's associated with rewards and motivation but what you left out is also expression of feelings among other things. Researches conducted that if lobotomy or damage to frontal lobe area, a person will usually still feel but fail to express emotions, especially on their face expressions which is important for any social advancements. It's also noted for expression of their voice and the way they move with body language is also affected to which then the aspie has to think and act out their cues. It is proven that autistic people have minimal activity in the frontal lobe while aspergers only have problem with the lower language in the frontal lobe of the brain. Can you see the connections I'm making? Remove that small barrier and the aspie is a genius.

Now ADHD has strong connections with asperger's to the point that they are often misdiagnosed with each other. They even share similar brain function of undeveloped or in my preference weakened frontal lobe. ADHD also share the poor activity in the frontal lobe so it is theorised dopamine is either sparked in other places of the brain which allows them to either day-dream or act out in a simulated fashion. In my opinion, ADHD and aspergers are one in the same, providing the only difference is that they share a lack of awareness or the ability to sustain attention while comprehending. The lack of awareness seems to be an acceptable connotation for ADHD/ADD. The only difference between these two is that I theorise that ADHD associates with the right side of the brain that involves creativity and visual is stronger while those with aspergers have a stronger left brain hemisphere which makes them very logical and analytical but beyond that they share one too many similar traits. Does that make sense?

3. Perhaps you're right about executive function but it has its limit. It's being able to sustain what's going on and to absorb naturally what's going on around you and comprehend. It needs to be done for the brain to absorb consciously and unconsciously. For instincts to work, All brain lobes are required to be aligned together such as having balanced activity. At the moment the reason why you have to act it out, which I understand, is because your tapping into Default network mode of the brain. It's more of the analytical part of the brain of past memories and logic. It also retains a lot of social memories. In other words, you and alot of aspies would actually have the perfect social cues all along. It's just locked up in the DNM. If you can activate the frontal lobe or strengthen it, social cues will be unlocked and processed so natural through the frontal lobe, you'd question the plausibility of why or how you're doing it so. It will also require less energy to socialise as well. I remember I couldn't go to a socialising event without feeling awkward and coming home drained. After I've somehow strengthen my frontal lobe, I was able to socialise all day. I did things that I've never done before like phoned a friend and asked if I could come over to watch a movie. It didn't seem so scary or foreign, but something natural and exciting to do.

Also for the poster who mentioned that aspes didn't need cure from socialising, speak for yourself please. I can read. I see the same things over and over again in forums such as asking why they can't have relationships. Why can't they socialise. Why do they have to act the part of talking while everyone else can socialise normal. I'm not derising the fact over the aspies function but rather tackling the social isolation.

Now once again, I'll mention this once more. To try and strengthen the lobe, you must focus with your eyes at low activity of focus and tense the top and front part of your head. Don't do it too hard. Do it at a comfortable pace and try to sustain it on a daily basis, if not a whole day. In that state, comprehend and be aware. In Fact use it and read posts on here. The best way I can describe to how you could differentiate between DNM and frontal lobe is this. When you zone out or stare at the wall with a blank face. It does feel good and relaxing. That there is the highest activity of DNM. Even when you snap out of it, you are still close to that zone. You want to get away from it or at least control it. With that exercise it should be impossible to zone out, that's how you know you're using the frontal lobe. Your brain is consciously and unconsciously picking up the environment and people around you. It will take time, it's not a one day sensation. You will start feeling light headed to the point that your short term memory will be sharper.

Also I am doing research and gathering data indeed. Though with autism, the chances are minimal with that as they must be able to follow instructions and understand their own state of consciousness. Also the exercise procedure is not meant to be a jack-of-all-trade trick. Please don't use a strawman argument. By your standards Building a muscle on the arm has alot of complicated chemical reactions and synthesis but because it has a simple flex with weight resistance, it's a simple jack-of-trades to do if you want to build big muscles on that arm. Difference is, it's accepted.

This is my trump card. What if I was to say that I can prove that you can create activity in the frontal lobe. No-ones ever thought of this but in a months time after my synopsis, I will be working close with someone in the field of brain scans such as MRI or neuroimaging brain. Imagine the possibility of having the aspie take the scan and to follow a certain exercise, there was a brief activity in the frontal lobe. Asking that subject to maintain that exercise and come back in allocated time to see if the frontal lobe is more active. This will then follow on to ask the subjects experience and more. If it turns out to be a positive data will you guys whistle a different tune?

So again, I will post this once more. If there are any changes feel free to post here or email privately at [email protected]. It is not a virus or a scam or I wouldn't spend hours chatting. If my link is deleted, I will delete this thread, report the mod due to abuse of power to the owner and I will request for account deletion and retain discussion with other sites.

Won't work for everyone.

I understand what the exercise feels like mentally or what this awareness is like but no, doing this exercise for a few days will not build all the skills required to keep awareness if someone didn't already have a decent ability to access that. Your exercises sound more like some kind of reminder for yourself to go back to that mode. And at the same time you changed your emotional attitudes to people/socializing which is the bigger part of the change that you made really.

Also, you do need to read up a lot more on how the brain works. Currently you have a very oversimplified and hence incorrect understanding of it. Some bits are good but the way you tried to connect them isn't working. And not everyone works in the exact same way, so like, you say "humans should be inbuilt with natural social cues", yeah most people but not everyone has them "installed" in a very refined way or even at all.

So no this on its own isn't some big scientific breakthrough.

I'm glad though that you got better at socializing etc Good luck for that in the future too.

This makes sense, if the person is capable of receiving physical sensations, but not processing them, in a complete, and well-rounded fashion. Thanks. Very interesting.




Autistic people, speaking for themselves.

I feel that autistic people are mainly getting caught-up, in a single emotion, and can only be fixated, on one thing at a time.

Some responses are entirely-emotional, rational, or physical. But, just pick one.

I completely agree, about instinct being a kind of coordination, between different parts of the brain.



This would be an example of magical thinking, but some worldviews believe that there are literally no limits, to executive function. Philosophically speaking, self-realization is akin to godhood.

And, not that I saw anything expressly-mystical, in all of your writings, but there is some discussion, amongst paranormalists, in regards to intent focus creating a feeling of pressure, even in the frontal region, as you have described.

It has been recommended that "moving" this pressure, here and there, could result in better coordination, between parts of the brain.

Perhaps I should be clear on intent. At the moment I'm gathering data and discussion but mainly through sound theory of mind. Before I wander off into clinics to talk to others that are diagnosed with Aspergers face to face and to try this, then to Neurologists with brain scans, I want to see if I could understand myself. Just why was I able to snap out of this? Did I really have aspergers or was it some other onset diagnosis such as depression and anxiety.

I agree Aspergers is a WAY of thinking. Perhaps due to poor social development and lack of expression of their feelings, of course they will spend more time thinking which allows them to think uniquely and powerful. It becomes an art, a way of thinking for us. The thing that I keep seeing over and over again though is aspergers almost pass off as NT, but why the poor social skills and development.


Because of the discussion from the community and others, I'm able to look at it from different perspectives and to strengthen the questionnaire. For example:

-I now know this will not apply to all.

-I will ask questions such as what are NT's doing so differently from AS? Why have I suddenly been able to pick up social cues compared to when I was acting and thinking about it.

-So this allows me to back-track every state of mind there is was and perhaps there might be something different after all.

-When talking or socializing do the NT's feel a slight pressure in or around their forehead which then I will ask what the AS feel any pressure in or around their head compared to when they talk.

So for my final conclusion that I will leave behind. Perhaps you don't need to strain the eyes and frontal lobe for long periods. Perhaps you only need to only do it when socialising so that when you focus, you are potentially switching on the frontal lobe. Perhaps NT's do it without knowing.

So perhaps if we change the survey to just that. Find someone you can trust and talk too and practice that while adding pressure to the forehead while focusing the details of their facial expression. If you do not want to talk to people then practice in the mirror. Talk without the pressure and focus from the forehead then compare yourself to when you talk normally. Do you hear yourself more? Perhaps when one adds that slight pressure to the top of the head, one can feel the emotional resonance being added to the voice as well as the expression then compared to when they talk normally, it's just monotone. Of course like I mention, it needs to be done a number of times but if there is any changes then that has to be it. I even noticed I became aware of how natural and that was through talking and socialising.

Please let me know of any changes. Thank you

Last edited by brains.thesis on 21 Apr 2017, 6:12 am, edited 2 times in total.

Edit:Your intent,data,discussion and sound theory of mind,who the fark are you kidding?


A conclusion and largely an assumption of not knowing yourself or others.LOL

You know,i've wasted time on responding,but in a condense version,little more is read and less of the spiel.

Base less on non facts,proof is on the idiotic pudding.

Sorry.

If you can't be objective with the discussion please leave this thread as there are many other threads for you to post in besides mine. Thank you.

Sensible questions.




Lack of innate ability, lack of practice further making it worse.

Don't forget Autistic Spectrum Disorder as defined in DSM-V, is a developmental disorder. Not simply a way of thinking. It's something more serious than that, a different, bit "mucked up" brain wiring.

Asperger of course isn't part of that official diagnosis. It's some informal collection of various definitions and interpretations, not very consistent together. What someone thinks is an Asperger case may be a milder verson of the "wrong" wiring that ASD has or it may in fact be something else entirely in terms of the psychological mechanisms.

So. What is for sure in your case is, you have lower than average skills for social stuff, innately probably but not necessarily anywhere near as severe as for ASD. Might just be social anxiety getting in the way or something, besides slightly lower than average social skills innately. You will want to figure out the exact cause, really, but I recommend you only do this to be able to move forward better.

I mean, you can investigate it more too if you care about this experiment, though I don't really see the point. What this looks like to me is, you have embarked on a new route, with new (but a still inexperienced and developing and potentially vulnerable) awareness about people interactions, and you naturally want to understand what's going on, but you are looking in the wrong direction for trying to understand it.

Instead of all this brain/mind theorizing, just directly focus on developing your social skills more as long as it doesn't feel too forced. Talk to people who have good empathetic skills and who are willing to help you out with it. Don't forget that it's not all that rosy and there'll be difficulties too with people. This theorizing just makes you go detached too much again and is missing the real point.




Inborn differences.




As to the why. Might just be aging, your brain maturing and making some of your feelings more accessible, you having been able to let go of earlier fears making you closed off, etc., something like this.




Analysis of states of minds will not be sufficient. Far from it. Again, put more focus on the social interactions and people themselves if that's what you are interested in.




No, they don't feel the slight pressure.




The frontal lobe theory of yours is flawed. Sorry, but again, read up on this more before you theorize deeply, but don't forget socializing in the meantime




Interesting about the note on the emotional resonance in the voice. I guess you are just tuning into your feeling side more at that moment. The side that does allow you to connect with people. Otoh, I don't think you've magically made your skills all that great in that area with a few exercises, so be careful about being so open for connection.


PS: If you really like the brain stuff that much, you can study to become a researcher in neuroscience or something like that but otherwise no point to doing this research as a layman, IMO. Yeah I'm saying this as someone who studied stuff heavily involving empirical research for a degree.

Be a bit more patient. He may not have as good understanding of some things as you do, just yet. But I see no pretending or anything like that that you seemed to imply with your first line here.

This is not your thread. Once you put it out there people can and often will respond as they please, they will go way off topic. It is frustrating but as long as the replies are within Wrong Planet guidelines there is nothing you can do about it.

The tone was personal - not within the guidelines, see below:

"2. Personal attacks.
This includes insinuation, ridicule and personal insults, regardless of whether direct or indirect. Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not."

Don't try to claim that it was a simple off topic post. Did you actually read it?

Oh well, OP can decide to report it if they want to.

Apologies from my last post,i had a few to many wines and went off track.

A reminder not to post under the influence.

I was not attacking brains.thesis. What I wrote was factual. I was informing him a newcomer to Wrong Planet of what often occurs on Wrong Planet threads and that Original Posters should not request that other posters leave the thread they started. I was saying people replying to a thread can and will write what THEY like and that they often go off topic, not that brains.thesis went off topic.

I used "you" because I was directly replying directly to his post.

You also can report me if you want to. WP Members here have varied social communication weaknesses and strengths. This means a member may reconize another member bieng bullied while the member being bullied may not recognize it is happening or does not how to respond or can not because they are shutting down because of the attack.

I thought itsme82 was saying ElabR8Aspie personally attacked OP, not that you did.

Hi, I tried what you recommended with focusing on an inaminate object for 20 seconds quite a few times in a day. I tried it a few days running. Sadly I don't think it really helped me socialising, I did go to a social group and I still found it as overwhelming as ever.

I applaud your attempt to try to bring about change though. I tried doing something slightly different based on your advice. You planted the seed of the idea for me. What I did though was I visualised myself blindfolded when I interacted with people. For some reason that did help me feel more at ease around people. I can't tell you why I came up with that, it seems quite random. Anyway I don't know if that will be helpful for you but I hope you'll carry on trying to help people.

Perhaps I was misdiagnosed as Aspergers then.

You see growing up I had developmental delays. I didn't get my licence until 23 when even my youngest sibling got it before me. It's like everyone knew what was going on and only told in the last second. I had mute selection and only got along with people that had some problem such as speech impediment to low self esteem.

I think the evaluation of me creating emotional sentimental to the point of trying to figure out what's going on and why is pretty spot on. It's full-on for me that all of suddenly I was able to comprehend, lead group discussions to the point my memory became sharper as well as my processing speed. Conversations are on sync as well. It's no surprise that I freaked and tried to post something that could've potentially help just anyone.

Even though I might not have created any change, but if it was just for one person who might have been misdiagnosed and this helped then that there is what I want. For those that post like they're out of this place or trapped or don't know why everyone else seem to connect and sync, I do want to let them know that I've been there. I know what it's like and you aren't alone in any reason for why you wonder why the powerful isolation in this alien world. Perhaps I've become an alien now after-all but I will focus on people skill and social development as of now. Thanks.

Iliketrees is correct, I was talking about another post, not yours, I thought I was clear in wording that.