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StampySquiddyFan wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I find the whole concept of eugenics to be a horrible thing.
Many people with autism are able to lead productive lives. At the very least, they provide much joy to their families, and to people who know them.
Many people with autism are able to lead productive lives. At the very least, they provide much joy to their families, and to people who know them.
I hate how Autism Speaks is trying to find a cure
. I know some people hate having autism, but would you rather never be born? I don't like it when people choose to kill their children in the womb just because they have a disability.A better goal for the group would be the promotion of the elimination of negative traits in people on the ASD and an escalation of their positive traits so that they have no weaknesses and only advantages over NTs. I don't understand why people think that this is an all or nothing issue. What person would want to live with weaknesses, ASD or NT?
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26 Jul 2017, 9:38 am
CuriousButDepressed wrote:
StampySquiddyFan wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I find the whole concept of eugenics to be a horrible thing.
Many people with autism are able to lead productive lives. At the very least, they provide much joy to their families, and to people who know them.
Many people with autism are able to lead productive lives. At the very least, they provide much joy to their families, and to people who know them.
I hate how Autism Speaks is trying to find a cure
. I know some people hate having autism, but would you rather never be born? I don't like it when people choose to kill their children in the womb just because they have a disability.A better goal for the group would be the promotion of the elimination of negative traits in people on the ASD and an escalation of their positive traits so that they have no weaknesses and only advantages over NTs. I don't understand why people think that this is an all or nothing issue. What person would want to live with weaknesses, ASD or NT?
Because everybody has weaknesses. We are not superior to so called "normal" people, and that shouldn't he our goal. I'm not defending what Autism Speaks is doing, but there is no way to eliminate all the bad parts of autism while still keeping the good. I don't think we should aim to be better; I think we should get help if we need it, but not make our main focus to eliminate all the "bad parts" of autism. To be honest, all traits of autism could be considered "bad" depending on the context. Of course, I don't want people with an ASD to suffer, but I don't think we can magically get rid of all our weaknesses, no matter how hard we try.
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26 Jul 2017, 9:41 am
26 Jul 2017, 9:44 am
StampySquiddyFan wrote:
CuriousButDepressed wrote:
StampySquiddyFan wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I find the whole concept of eugenics to be a horrible thing.
Many people with autism are able to lead productive lives. At the very least, they provide much joy to their families, and to people who know them.
Many people with autism are able to lead productive lives. At the very least, they provide much joy to their families, and to people who know them.
I hate how Autism Speaks is trying to find a cure
. I know some people hate having autism, but would you rather never be born? I don't like it when people choose to kill their children in the womb just because they have a disability.A better goal for the group would be the promotion of the elimination of negative traits in people on the ASD and an escalation of their positive traits so that they have no weaknesses and only advantages over NTs. I don't understand why people think that this is an all or nothing issue. What person would want to live with weaknesses, ASD or NT?
Because everybody has weaknesses. We are not superior to so called "normal" people, and that shouldn't he our goal. I'm not defending what Autism Speaks is doing, but there is no way to eliminate all the bad parts of autism while still keeping the good. I don't think we should aim to be better; I think we should get help if we need it, but not make our main focus to eliminate all the "bad parts" of autism. To be honest, all traits of autism could be considered "bad" depending on the context. Of course, I don't want people with an ASD to suffer, but I don't think we can magically get rid of all our weaknesses, no matter how hard we try.
While I agree that with current technology it would be almost impossible to eliminate every single weakness a person has, with the proper mind, vision and funds, we will be able to create humans that are not only mentally superior, but physically superior as well. They would understand social norms and be able to make friends easily, but they would also internally know how malleable and useless social norms are and not follow them when they didn't have to. They'd be far more creative than mere NTs and be able to envision anything with ease. The average intelligence of one of these individuals would be akin to Bill Gates' intelligence. Physically, they would heal from any condition entirely, not 98%, not 99%, not 99.999999%. Nothing would harm them. Why is this such a bad goal, to be so adverse to weakness that you'd want to annihilate it? Didn't we annihilate several diseases because we refused to accept them? Acceptance is merely societally approved enabling of situations. We must always be determined to destroy adversity, not tolerate it.
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26 Jul 2017, 9:53 am
CuriousButDepressed wrote:
StampySquiddyFan wrote:
CuriousButDepressed wrote:
StampySquiddyFan wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I find the whole concept of eugenics to be a horrible thing.
Many people with autism are able to lead productive lives. At the very least, they provide much joy to their families, and to people who know them.
Many people with autism are able to lead productive lives. At the very least, they provide much joy to their families, and to people who know them.
I hate how Autism Speaks is trying to find a cure
. I know some people hate having autism, but would you rather never be born? I don't like it when people choose to kill their children in the womb just because they have a disability.A better goal for the group would be the promotion of the elimination of negative traits in people on the ASD and an escalation of their positive traits so that they have no weaknesses and only advantages over NTs. I don't understand why people think that this is an all or nothing issue. What person would want to live with weaknesses, ASD or NT?
Because everybody has weaknesses. We are not superior to so called "normal" people, and that shouldn't he our goal. I'm not defending what Autism Speaks is doing, but there is no way to eliminate all the bad parts of autism while still keeping the good. I don't think we should aim to be better; I think we should get help if we need it, but not make our main focus to eliminate all the "bad parts" of autism. To be honest, all traits of autism could be considered "bad" depending on the context. Of course, I don't want people with an ASD to suffer, but I don't think we can magically get rid of all our weaknesses, no matter how hard we try.
While I agree that with current technology it would be almost impossible to eliminate every single weakness a person has, with the proper mind, vision and funds, we will be able to create humans that are not only mentally superior, but physically superior as well. They would understand social norms and be able to make friends easily, but they would also internally know how malleable and useless social norms are and not follow them when they didn't have to. They'd be far more creative than mere NTs and be able to envision anything with ease. The average intelligence of one of these individuals would be akin to Bill Gates' intelligence. Physically, they would heal from any condition entirely, not 98%, not 99%, not 99.999999%. Nothing would harm them. Why is this such a bad goal, to be so adverse to weakness that you'd want to annihilate it? Didn't we annihilate several diseases because we refused to accept them? Acceptance is merely societally approved enabling of situations. We must always be determined to destroy adversity, not tolerate it.
I'm sorry; I really don't agree with you. If these so called "superior beings" existed, then there wouldn't be any autism diagnosis. You see, we are a minority for a reason. We don't just get labeled with autism because it's the latest trend, or because we have special abilities in drawing, reading, computers, etc. We have significant symptoms that disable us. Your plan would most likely isolate us from "normal people" even more. It is not only impossible, but there are way too many flaws and that would eliminate autism. There have always been, and always will be autistic people. Nothing will change that.
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