Why is Autism Speaks considered to be an evil organization?

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26 Jul 2017, 12:08 pm

But there are some people who don't seem to have any weaknesses and on top of that great strengths. Take, say, Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. What weaknesses does he have? He seems to have nothing but strengths.



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26 Jul 2017, 12:27 pm

How well do you know "The Rock?" Are you privy to his personal life?

All we see is some wrestler beating other wrestlers. He's an archetype, perhaps a stereotype.

Maybe, because of steroids, he has trouble satisfying his woman.



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26 Jul 2017, 12:32 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
How well do you know "The Rock?" Are you privy to his personal life?

All we see is some wrestler beating other wrestlers. He's an archetype, perhaps a stereotype.

Maybe, because of steroids, he has trouble satisfying his woman.


What do you personally think of the perfection argument?



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26 Jul 2017, 12:36 pm

I believe people should seek to enhance their advantages, and de-emphasize their disadvantages.

Perfection, however, is only attainable in some one (or thing) with divine, god-like qualities.

There are times, alas, that one must endure hardship in order to achieve bliss.

One must initial disadvantages in order to attain a great advantage.



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26 Jul 2017, 12:40 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
How well do you know "The Rock?" Are you privy to his personal life?

All we see is some wrestler beating other wrestlers. He's an archetype, perhaps a stereotype.

Maybe, because of steroids, he has trouble satisfying his woman.

There's a lot more to The Rock than his wrestling career.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwayne_Johnson



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26 Jul 2017, 12:44 pm

Of course. True.

But we really don't know what goes on when he's out of the limelight.



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26 Jul 2017, 12:50 pm

Autism isn't a sore throat. Its not a disease to be cured. I think it would be funny to take Autism Speaks members and crush their heads between two battering rams one by one.



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26 Jul 2017, 12:52 pm

drwho222 wrote:
Autism isn't a sore throat. Its not a disease to be cured. I think it would be funny to take Autism Speaks members and crush their heads between two battering rams one by one.


I hate Autism Speaks as well, although I don't know if I would want to take each member and crush their heads between two battering rams :D .


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26 Jul 2017, 12:57 pm

How about this: build a giant shark tank and fill it with man eaters, hammerheads, great whites, etc. Fly them over it in the bomb bay of a B-52, open the doors, and drop them in. I'd sit back, sipping a limo and happily watch the frenzy.



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26 Jul 2017, 2:14 pm

OP are you one of those people who believe that scientists will eventually be able to "fix" almost anything? I've come across people who believe that science will one day prevent human death, allow us to live forever, alter human neurology however we want to, and completely remake the Earth's ecosystems and replace what nature has done with something that is artificial yet somehow better. You remind of those people.

What you are proposing is unrealistic. People can't simply be engineered into whatever we want.

What is or is not a weakness is somewhat subjective, so you'd have to get people to agree on the "weaknesses" of autism before anyone could agree on what should be eliminated. That's basically the issue with Autism Speaks—some people don't agree with their negative views about autism.



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26 Jul 2017, 2:15 pm

starkid wrote:
OP are you one of those people who believe that scientists will eventually be able to "fix" almost anything? I've come across people who believe that science will one day prevent human death, allow us to live forever, alter human neurology however we want to, and completely remake the Earth's ecosystems and replace what nature has done with something that is artificial yet somehow better. You remind of those people.

What you are proposing is unrealistic. People can't simply be engineered into whatever we want.

What is or is not a weakness is somewhat subjective, so you'd have to get people to agree on the "weaknesses" of autism before anyone could agree on what should be eliminated. That's basically the issue with Autism Speaks—some people don't agree with their negative views about autism.


Sounds like Far Future Science Fantasy.



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26 Jul 2017, 2:17 pm

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How about this: build a giant shark tank and fill it with man eaters, hammerheads, great whites, etc. Fly them over it in the bomb bay of a B-52, open the doors, and drop them in. I'd sit back, sipping a limo and happily watch the frenzy.


YES That sounds awesome :D


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26 Jul 2017, 2:19 pm

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starkid wrote:
OP are you one of those people who believe that scientists will eventually be able to "fix" almost anything? I've come across people who believe that science will one day prevent human death, allow us to live forever, alter human neurology however we want to, and completely remake the Earth's ecosystems and replace what nature has done with something that is artificial yet somehow better. You remind of those people.

What you are proposing is unrealistic. People can't simply be engineered into whatever we want.

What is or is not a weakness is somewhat subjective, so you'd have to get people to agree on the "weaknesses" of autism before anyone could agree on what should be eliminated. That's basically the issue with Autism Speaks—some people don't agree with their negative views about autism.


Sounds like Far Future Science Fantasy.


Yeah. I think science will get more advanced, but o don't think we will ever solve all the world's problems.


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26 Jul 2017, 2:19 pm

We're not God....that's the essence of it.

But....we should really give it the "good ol' college try."



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26 Jul 2017, 2:38 pm

People think it's evil because their goal(or the way it is or was advertised) was to "cure" autism. I don't like the idea as I love myself the way I am and there is also no way to really cure it (maybe besides a brain transplant).

Do I think the organization is evil? No I do not, I just think they may be misguided. I'm not totally against a so called "cure" I just think it would be better used for those that have autism that is so severe that they just cannot function at all.

I know it's a sad fact but, autism can ruin a family if it is just too severe for said family to handle or the parents just don't know how to take care of the child (if it's the latter I think they should try adoption or therapy first and use the cure as a last resort!)

I can see why they could want a cure. For example, say you had a child and the child was screaming for no reason and banging his/her head against the wall (extreme I know... it does happen though) you went to therapy and it didn't work, you tried medication and that didn't work (heck medication doesn't even work on stable adults sometimes!) what are you going to do? You hate to see your child in so much misery and have no idea what to do! That senario might be a time to have a "cure".

I know some people might hate me for saying that but sometimes you have to look at both sides of a battle to get a solution.

As for the weakness thing. I don't think it's such a thing as something or someone having no weakness. I believe nature has a balance for everything and it includes strengths and weaknesses. Just think if a tyrannical person had alot of strengths and no weaknesses... it would be pretty hard to take that person down! So I'm thankful for weaknesses as it also helps motivate you to also try and overcome them (I would eventually get bored if I was good at many things but had nothing to overcome, nothing to challenge me...)

Well, that was my dime and 3 quarters!


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26 Jul 2017, 2:44 pm

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People think it's evil because their goal(or the way it is or was advertised) was to "cure" autism. I don't like the idea as I love myself the way I am and there is also no way to really cure it (maybe besides a brain transplant).

Do I think the organization is evil? No I do not, I just think they may be misguided. I'm not totally against a so called "cure" I just think it would be better used for those that have autism that is so severe that they just cannot function at all.

I know it's a sad fact but, autism can ruin a family if it is just too severe for said family to handle or the parents just don't know how to take care of the child (if it's the latter I think they should try adoption or therapy first and use the cure as a last resort!)

I can see why they could want a cure. For example, say you had a child and the child was screaming for no reason and banging his/her head against the wall (extreme I know... it does happen though) you went to therapy and it didn't work, you tried medication and that didn't work (heck medication doesn't even work on stable adults sometimes!) what are you going to do? You hate to see your child in so much misery and have no idea what to do! That senario might be a time to have a "cure".

I know some people might hate me for saying that but sometimes you have to look at both sides of a battle to get a solution.

As for the weakness thing. I don't think it's such a thing as something or someone having no weakness. I believe nature has a balance for everything and it includes strengths and weaknesses. Just think if a tyrannical person had alot of strengths and no weaknesses... it would be pretty hard to take that person down! So I'm thankful for weaknesses as it also helps motivate you to also try and overcome them (I would eventually get bored if I was good at many things but had nothing to overcome, nothing to challenge me...)

Well, that was my dime and 3 quarters!


Ever encounter NT parents of low functioning Autistic children? I have. I get nasty looks for saying that they shouldn't be allowed to kill their kids. I don't mean that as hyperbolie, that's really what they want. I hope a genetic test for autism is never developed, because abortion would become a favored means of murdering us.