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08 Aug 2017, 9:14 am

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making out it's not racism to be an Islamophobe

Islam isn't a race. So it's not.

It's not "cultural racism" either. Racism is an unjustifiable prejudice. Speaking out against rape victims being stoned, gay people murdered and women denied their rights is not a prejudice. "Racism" is a pejorative term thrown around in an attempt to shut down reasonable debate.


Being black isn't a race either :roll:

Yes it is. It literally is.



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08 Aug 2017, 9:15 am

@Chichikov

I'm not going to get into a debate with you on what and what is not racism , we have different views , I'm not going to change your view , your not going to change mine. I'm leaving it that because I'm a hot head and will just start insulting you , which I dont want to do.


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08 Aug 2017, 9:18 am

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I hope to travel to the UK one day and when I get there, I want to see British culture and British things.

Make sure you travel here in a time machine then.

The swastika comment is pretty unfair though, it was (and still is) a symbol of peace in many religions and cultures long before it was adopted by the nazis.



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08 Aug 2017, 9:34 am

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Make sure you travel here in a time machine then.



Unless your going to Cardiff https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hack ... -svv079lp3


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08 Aug 2017, 10:05 am

Chichikov wrote:
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making out it's not racism to be an Islamophobe

Islam isn't a race. So it's not.

It's not "cultural racism" either. Racism is an unjustifiable prejudice. Speaking out against rape victims being stoned, gay people murdered and women denied their rights is not a prejudice. "Racism" is a pejorative term thrown around in an attempt to shut down reasonable debate.


Being black isn't a race either :roll:

Yes it is. It literally is.


I was talking in social construct way


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08 Aug 2017, 10:51 am

Believing censorship is bad does not equate with agreeing with homophobia or autistic supremacism.

It is painful but better to know these views exist. It is better to debunk these views than to censor them. Censoring only validates a lot of these peoples persecution complexes.

Like the OP I find it vexing that Autistics can be hostile to alternative viewpoints or identities. But as an autistic I find it vexing that other autistics would find some opinions so unpopular or wrong that they need to be banned.

Yes, these opinions can be triggering and painful. Remember our autistic traits make others very uncomfortable to the point believing that we are wrong, spend massive amounts of money to change or cure us.


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08 Aug 2017, 11:49 am

Many Muslims in the UK actually assimilate quite well into the overall British culture.



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08 Aug 2017, 12:43 pm

Chichikov wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I hope to travel to the UK one day and when I get there, I want to see British culture and British things.

Make sure you travel here in a time machine then.

The swastika comment is pretty unfair though, it was (and still is) a symbol of peace in many religions and cultures long before it was adopted by the nazis.


Actually I do agree with the fairness about the swastika comment now that I think of it.


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08 Aug 2017, 12:45 pm

Chichikov wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I hope to travel to the UK one day and when I get there, I want to see British culture and British things.

Make sure you travel here in a time machine then.

The swastika comment is pretty unfair though, it was (and still is) a symbol of peace in many religions and cultures long before it was adopted by the nazis.


I'm also saving up for a time machine. :wink:


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08 Aug 2017, 12:58 pm

I don't understand the Muslim hate. Who cares if they wear those things on their hears or have their own churches. Here in the US there are so many different religions here I see different churches. It doesn't bother me one bit. Only thing I have problems with is when people go crazy when someone doesn't follow their religion or believe in god or go to church and when they try and shove it in your face by trying to make you believe in it and start criticizing you. Only crazy religious people I have a problem with and when it "causes" parents to not give their kids medical help because "it's against their religion" and when people use religion as an excuse to be a homophobic and be haters of anything like LGBT or use it to be controlling. Also I don't believe in pushing your religion on your children. My mom grew up catholic and she hated it. But her parents didn't yell and scream at her and disown her and telling her she is going to hell when she decided to quit being Catholic when she moved out. I wouldn't call my grandparents crazy religious because they don't feel threatened by other peoples beliefs and they didn't disown their children or scream at them telling them they are going to hell when they quit following their religion.

To me religion is a choice like me being an atheist and not doing a religion is a choice. In some countries it's illegal to not do a religion so you like go to jail for it or even be sentenced to death depending on what country you're in. Basically it's illegal to be an atheist so thank god here in the US it's a free country where religion is a choice but yet it's treated as a disability because you have to accommodate it. My husband is agnostic. That means he thinks there is a god but he doesn't believe in religion.


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08 Aug 2017, 1:02 pm

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I'm not a racist really, but I do get offended when foreign muslims wear burkas in the UK, and build mosques in the UK, and all of that. It's fine in their countries, but this is England.


Wow, for not being a racist (really?) that sounds damn racist to me.

If they live there and pay taxes, it is their county as well.


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08 Aug 2017, 1:04 pm

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I am bewildered about compassionate individuals who turn a blind eye to those in Islam who toss LGBT individuals off cliffs or down wells. I don't expect all Muslims to speak out against this practice, but is there just one imam who has shown his compassion by arguing against it?


I don't know for a fact but what your talking about is done by Muslims who use an extremist interpretation of Islamic texts and sharia law - ISIS basically :skull:


52% of UK Muslims think homosexuality should be a crime vs 11% of the general population. Not that it's wrong or sinful but that homosexual people should be punished or jailed and forced to stop being gay.

Maybe you should ditch your apologist rhetoric.


Maybe UK muslims could learn a few things from American muslims: http://www.thedailybeast.com/american-m ... e-speak-up

Or maybe UK muslims aren't as homophobic as you say, as you didn't provide any citation for those figures.



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08 Aug 2017, 1:20 pm

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Many Muslims in the UK actually assimilate quite well into the overall British culture.

30% of Muslims never socialise with non-Muslims in their own houses.



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08 Aug 2017, 1:28 pm

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I don't understand the Muslim hate. Who cares if they wear those things on their hears or have their own churches.

Do you know how many people suffered or died so women could gain the equality they have now? Or how long it took for us to get where we are? You see nothing wrong in simply tossing those decades aside and going right back to how society was 1,000 years ago?

It's not just women and homosexuals that Muslims hate, they're also incredibly anti-semetic (35% hold anti-semetic views and 1% are Holocaust deniers).

Pure coincidence

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40735634

Another pure coincidence

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40559973

The above is a common way of dealing with things in Muslim countries.

They basically hate and want to drive out everyone but themselves. If we continue to sleepwalk into an Islamic state then the Holocaust etc will all have been for nothing. Yeah, who cares?



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08 Aug 2017, 1:30 pm

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Maybe UK muslims could learn a few things from American muslims: http://www.thedailybeast.com/american-m ... e-speak-up

Thanks for that article that cherry picks a few examples, it's really changed my mind. Jahed Choudhury should read that to take the sting out of all of his death threats and abuse, I'm sure it would give him great comfort.



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08 Aug 2017, 1:33 pm

Chichikov wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
I don't understand the Muslim hate. Who cares if they wear those things on their hears or have their own churches.

Do you know how many people suffered or died so women could gain the equality they have now? Or how long it took for us to get where we are? You see nothing wrong in simply tossing those decades aside and going right back to how society was 1,000 years ago?

It's not just women and homosexuals that Muslims hate, they're also incredibly anti-semetic (35% hold anti-semetic views and 1% are Holocaust deniers).

Pure coincidence

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40735634

Another pure coincidence

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40559973

The above is a common way of dealing with things in Muslim countries.

They basically hate and want to drive out everyone but themselves. If we continue to sleepwalk into an Islamic state then the Holocaust etc will all have been for nothing. Yeah, who cares?


But I have neighbors who are Muslim, and they're really nice people. Are you talking about radical Muslims? There were radical Christians at one point in time too. I don't think Muslims are that bad, except in the extreme cases. I wasn't going to join in this conversation as it might get deleted soon, but I was curious as to why all the Muslim hate?


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