Do you think that ASPIES and ADHD are selfish?

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26 Aug 2017, 6:41 pm

Anyone can be selfish no matter what condition they have or don't have. We all have selfish moments but chronically selfish people are selfish because they are selfish whether they have a condition or not. So yes, there are Autistics and ADHD people who are selfish but it is not because of their conditions. They are just selfiah or spoiled people.

But as others have said, because we live in a society that hurts us and does not meet our needs, we have a lot of needs and we really need what we need. But people who don't understand this concept will think that we are entittled and sellfish when we are not because the things we need are not the things they need. And because they have no theory of mind, they will believe we are selfish.


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26 Aug 2017, 8:23 pm

I've known many selfish people in my life. Some of them are on the spectrum and some aren't. Anyone can be selfish or polite whether they're on the spectrum or not.


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27 Aug 2017, 7:00 am

Moshe Ben Yehuda wrote:
eikonabridge wrote:
In this context, "selfishness" and "autism" are antonyms. Autistic people, almost universally, lack strong sense of self. It's a direct consequence, and typical characteristic, of autism.

Take a look at the case of Bob Dylan or Grigori Perelman. Bob Dylan, when given the Nobel Prize, disappeared for two whole weeks. He dragged his feet to provide the required lecture. Everyone else provided their lecture in person. Bob Dylan sent it in with a video upload, barely 6 days before the final deadline. Grigori Perelman was awarded the 1-million dollar Millenium Prize, plus the Fields' Medal (equivalent to Nobel Prize in math). He declined both, and preferred to be poor and live in a tiny apartment with his mom.

Like racism, selfishness can be taught or acquired. So don't be surprised to see some selfish autistic people. But on a "statistical basis," those cases should be rare.


Even though I would agree with most of your comment, I am still unconvinced by the scientific objectivity of the emphasised sentence (in bold), finding it rather subjective, and therefore less suited to bear the generalising tone. Stating that autistics "lack strong sense of self", followed by two examples which cannot be undoubtedly endowed to become support for the statement, seems to at least partially justify my disagreement.
If you could please elaborate for clarity, I'd be very thankful.

All the best.

See e.g.: https://www.autismspeaks.org/science/science-news/hyperscanning-study-reveals-impaired-sense-self-autism

Here is also a study on "self" response using fMRI: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4512741/

You can also google for "talking in third person" and "autism". Diminished sense of self in autistic people is well-known.


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28 Aug 2017, 2:12 pm

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01 Sep 2017, 2:38 pm

People used to (and still do from time to time) call me selfish. I think they misinterpret my behaviour or don't understand my reasons. For example, I don't like sharing my food or drink. Part of it is germs, but the other part is that I got something that particularly like and want every bite of it and just don't want to share. Another example is not lending things. Part of the reason why I don't lend stuff is because you never get your stuff back in the condition that you lent it or you NEVER get it back and that stresses me GREATLY! I've gotten better with time. My husband and son can get bites of my food but if a friend asks me for a bite or a sip I cringe inwardly and give it to them. Maybe it's selfish. I don't know.


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