Why is original Aspergers' is different from modern version
Hear! Hear!
If it ever was a fad diagnosis it is not anymore as it not even a diagnosis in the DSM anymore. It is still in the ICD but what from what I understand in locations that use the ICD they are moving away from Aspergers with the expectation that it will be dropped in the next version of the ICD.
"You are looking for excuses", "you are lazy", "you are weak", "you do not have real autism","Aspergers is a fake disease", Aspergers/Autism is a fad diagnosis etc and similar attacks have been used to malign not very obvious autistics forever.
When there was no knowledge of autism, then later when there was no knowledge of anything that was not severe this was somewhat excusable. Now, all it does is harm. IMHO there never was a mass phenomenon of Aspie/Autism wannabes and clinicians giving out diagnoses like candy. The problem is the large scale PERCEPTION of Aspergers/Autism as a trendy excuse for bad behavior and a fad diagnosis.
IMHO the large increase in autism diagnosis comes from the expanded diagnostic criteria identifying autistics that were not or would not have been recognized in an earlier time and society becoming more autistic unfriendly causing people who would be gotten by to be impaired. We live in a cynical era so a lot of people believe the sharp increase in Autism prevalence happened for nefarious reasons. A big pharma vaccine conspiracy or Autism is a trendy fad are two of the most popular explanations.
IMHO if there is overdiagnosis it is in the very young. Helicopters parents can not accept that if their little one misses a few markers that most often it is a perfectly normal thing called people mature at different rates. There is little patience for waiting a little longer for a kid to mature. That is one reason why you see this massive push to discover autism in infants in order to give them ABA.
IMHO Autism is still quite underdiagnosed in middle aged and elderly adults. They were not diagnosed with autism as a kid because knowledge of anything not severe was not known. This group has bumbled through life undiagnosed with anything but weirdness or they were misdiagnosed.
The perception of autism as a trendy diagnosis has been very harmful. It means the older autistics will not be identified by clinicians not wanting to contribute to a fad. I have read countless posts here from professionally diagnosed people wondering if they were misdiagnosed or worse a fooled themselves so effectively they fooled their clinician in a desire not to think of themselves as a bad person.
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I'm not an introvert. I just don't see the point in meaningless small talk. I can be quite boisterous when I interact with my family and close friends. Just because a person is quiet doesn't make them shy. Sometimes I just don't have anything to add to the conversation as the topic of the conversation is often something I can't relate to. People are always wondering why I'm so quiet much of the time. Quiet people make the best listeners since we often listen to learn rather than listen to respond. I will talk more if I feel like there is room for me in the conversation. I find it hard to deal with conversation dominators. Autistic people like myself are more likely to talk if we feel included in conversations.
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I like and respect you, ASpartofme regardless of different opinions.☺
Thank you for the compliment.
I am far from a teen or a millennial but I can understand teens trying on an aspie identity on like trying on goth or indie rocker identity because aspies on TV are cute geniuses or they read blogs about aspie superpowers but they will soon find out Autism is anything but cool in the real world. People are really cruel towards those that are different. "Autistic" is now a popular online insult, and the perception is Aspergers/High Functioning Autism are fad words for entitled excuse making snowflakes. Sure there are people with legitimate factitious disorders but I believe most people who try on an aspie identity end up dropping it really fast once they face reality.
"Aspie" started out as a cute way of reappropriating Autism. It started out as a way to give people a semblance of self-confidence at a time when Autism was nearly universally viewed as this horrible thing. Somehow for a lot of people including many autistics the term became associated with wannabee entitled snowflakes or ableist autistics who do not want be associated with low functioning autistics. This frustrates me because I view it as an opportunity lost.
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ASpartofme, we agree on so much. I guess I did sort of approach it from the painful side. My poor mom having to take care of a severely affected toddler while my dad was out to sea. Plus we left mom's homestate. I put her through hell. There was no wondering if something was wrong. The question was more of finding out what. Folks kept autism from being put on any records so that I could attend regular school.
Thanks for posting
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Like the snowflakes idea I think the ableist autistic issue has become the problem it is because of the perception most "Aspies" think that way rather than the reality of it. When on occasion somebody posts thoughts like that on WP they are called out on it. It is really a kind of slander against Aspies as a whole.
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DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity.
Like the snowflakes idea I think the ableist autistic issue has become the problem it is because of the perception most "Aspies" think that way rather than the reality of it. When on occasion somebody posts thoughts like that on WP they are called out on it. It is really a kind of slander against Aspies as a whole.
Thank you for saying this. I don't have much experience in this area, and I don't use much social media so I don't see where a lot of these ideas come from. I'm also middle aged.
I personally use Aspie out of respect for more Autistic people. I don't currently qualify as even ASD level 1, just "strong autistic traits." I think it would be unfair to call myself fully autistic because it would belittle the challenges and experiences at the other end of the spectrum. However, I do feel that it gives me an affinity with autistic people, like my friend's son and other children in the school where I work. I do my best to use it to connect with them and to help NT people understand them better.
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Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 149 of 200
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I only ever use aspie in here, a kind of common usage thing. Most people are very comfortable with it and I think has a friendly tone when we use it about each other in here. I instinctively dislike it however, it feels derogatory and while I have never had any "spit it out" at me as an insult I can imagine how it might sound with a strong North of England accent attached to it. I was diagnosed late and despite being English was diagnosed under DSM 5 so my diagnosis is Autism Spectrum Disorder (They wrote next to it "Commonly known as Aspergers Syndrome") I identified as autistic for around two years before I was formally diagnosed and for the last 12 months prior described myself as autistic. I would never describe myself as anything other than autistic anywhere other than this forum.
I am also aware that some of this could be a conservative (with a small c) English cultural thing, anyway thats how I feel about it.
I had a conversation with an old colleague the other day. A nice young lad who has done his masters and is now on his PhD in phycology. He said to me, in all seriousness that he was a little bit envious of autistic people as he was left out and outside the community...honest. I asked him how did he think autistic people felt about being outside of the rest of humanity and just about everything attached to it ![]()
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