Baren-Cohen Systemising Empathising Test

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gwynfryn, which thread was our little chat on Bleuler under??? I want to go back and look because I didn't realize the discussion was carrying on further, hehe.

Well it didn't (hehe) and ground to a halt, as investigative threads by real aspies so often do. I'll edit-in a link later (if I remember) but meanwhile;

Congratulations, Sarcastic_name, who posted:



This is really something special, as the A + H combination is a rare beast (as detemined by examination by anbuend {is she still posting? I haven't seen any such for quite some time} and later confimed by Kevin Chandler, extant director of the eponymous company) and is a very conflicting combination (H types are generally conscienceless, ambitious, selfish types, practically polar opposites of the A types, and, to our detriment, over-represented among the rulers of society). It's important here to understand that each designation comes in grades, and my guess is, that on this Mickey Mouse test, you get a letter if you rate "strong" or higher, and if memory serves me right, the professional test had at least 5 distinctions (average, strong, very strong and the inverse) and it may well have been seven? That said, a very strong D, strong A, very strong E, may be less autistic than a strong M, very strong A, for example? Add to that, that in the professional test, one gets a readout in which each category is further broken down into sub-categories designated by crosses for each sub-group, and I doubt it'll come as a surprise to anyone who habitually reads my posts that while, typically, though the crosses are usually in close proximity (hence the break down into sub-groups, which is largely valid) my own had quite marked scatter? Happily (and we mostly find virtue in our own chartacteristics, and why not?) "Creativity" and "Imagination" where almost off the top of the sheet ( a pity typing skill wasn't included) and "analysis" wasn't far below.

Sarcastic_name, I'm really grateful for your input, as I never really expected I'd ever encounter such an individual, and it's fascinating to study your readout (and all the elements are there, as described!) but if it means anything, I've noted your posts, and I'm pretty sure the A is dominant in your case (lucky you?).

So I'm "AE style"...no surprise there.

Edited to add: posting the actual *results* would help, like duh! My bad, sorry...

["'AE' style

The AE style person is easily distinguished by their commitment to technical accuracy and their complete absorption in their work. They are project-minded people, eager to ensure that all the details are in place. Completing a task to perfection is often more important to them than working within deadlines and, in their enthusiasm for perfecting specifics, they can find it difficult to formulate broader plans. Their focus on technical perfection can make them a valuable asset to an organisation, providing an alternative perspective to more commercially expedient approaches, although their commitment to high quality results can mean that the time taken or the procedures followed must be carefully considered in light of economic realities. They are frequently idealistic, imaginative and creative in their thinking processes.

These people are stimulated by opportunities to employ their creative talents and are more likely to enjoy being the sole operator, rather than having to fit in with team requirements. They are non-antagonistic as far as other people are concerned, but have a little difficulty in including others in their thoughts and their activities. Because they like to "do their own thing", they can become quickly irritated by interference in their area of work. This irritation is usually clearly visible to those around them, particularly if changes of plan or changes in project requirements are thrust upon them. When they are subjected to situations that upset them they will tend to cope by burying themselves in their work and shutting out what is going on around them.

The work situation they like best is one where they are given the space to work to their own high standards, rather than feeling they are under externally imposed time pressures. They prefer not to be disturbed or pulled away to attend to requests from others. Colleagues can sometimes find their preference for working alone difficult to understand and it could therefore at times be important for the AE style of person to consciously set aside times to interact with colleagues, to ensure that they do not convey the impression that they are antisocial or even hostile. They could also find it helpful to explain to colleagues that when they are engrossed in their work, they see attempts by others at social interaction more as irritants than as friendly gestures and, when they are placed under pressure, they are likely to avoid social situations, often coming across as aloof or irritable without meaning to.

They enjoy a work situation where they have the opportunity to work on finite projects, where outcomes are tangible and their own responsibilities are personally challenging but clearly defined. It is very important (for their enjoyment of their work and their ability to give of their best) for project requirements and realistic time frames to be agreed upon at the outset. They appreciate managers who are considerate and respectful of their skills, who recognise their excellent intentions and commitment to quality, who trust them in their work and show quiet recognition and appreciation of their efforts and accomplishments.

They generally view their social life as their own business, and do not appreciate being pressured by invitations to "join in", much preferring to generate friendships over time with people of a similar nature. For them, comfortable friendships often develop slowly over shared involvement in mutually interesting projects."]

Scary. If any of my employers (including current) had given me a test like this during the interview process, I doubt I'd have been hired...I SO don't fit in with the company "culture".

This test was a bit confusing. The results were pretty accurate, except I'm not very orderly.

DAE' style

Individuals with these characteristics are project minded, task focused and very orderly in their approach to work. They are also characterised by carefulness and caution, which adds to the individual's stubbornness and perfectionist approach. Not only are they focused on details, but they also bring a need to think ahead and consider pitfalls, which can turn their perfectionism into fussiness or pedantic behaviour. Clarity, direction and clear expectations are all very important to them. They need to know what they are required to achieve and work best in an area where there are systems, processes and procedures to follow.

They like to have boundaries to operate within and to feel comfortable that they will not tread on toes or encroach on someone else's work area. Certainly, stress will occur if they cannot deal with their work in a logical and orderly sequence, particularly if, as a result, error occurs. In such situations, the stress will manifest in irritability and the negative aspects of their temperament bring a more critical approach and they will be outspokenly pessimistic. What is also seen when they become stressed is some oscillation between quiet, focused behaviour and outspoken, direct and even blunt behaviour. Anxiety will also occur if they are put on the spot in terms of having to react very quickly to changing demands. They like plenty of warning and background information.

Their work approach is extremely conscientious. They can be relied upon to produce the work that has been asked of them on time and to a high standard. They will try and keep on top of their work flow, will be very organised and methodical and will have a place for everything. You will not see a slapdash approach resulting from this sort of individual and they will not take too kindly to anybody else who is. As a general rule, their preference is to take one step at a time, deal with one task, complete it and then begin another. Having to juggle multiple demands is likely to create confusion, which can result in a flustered or anxious approach to their work and an increasing need to organise and keep everything in its place.

With people, they will tend to be more matter of fact, businesslike, direct and formal than demonstrative or bubbly. They are certainly more reserved than outgoing or sociable and having to be in the limelight or constantly talking to people during the day will make them feel like they are being distracted from their tasks rather than productive. At the same time, whilst their general demeanour will be of someone who is sensible and "no nonsense", they do have an underlying warmth and consideration for people, which can emerge from time to time. It is more likely to be fleeting in a work situation but may be more evident outside of this or with people they know particularly well. They respond well to people who are professional, conscientious and very thorough.

gwynfryn, do you know what each letter represents? And thanks for the input on how rare of a person I am. Hmmm...I think I'll get my brother to take the test.

My brother's 10, so I took it for him. Truthfully, he's a spoiled hell-child who bosses around what few frinds he has and is obsessed with being a "gangsta" or "cool". Also Dx'd ADHD. Here's what the test said.

It's maybe %70 accurate. A few things are a bit more "extreme" in his case, and he's a very rude person at times.

I find the Baron-Cohen tests overly simplistic, but also the other one being discussed.

I am happy that I got 56 in the systemizing quotient. But because I got 9 in the empathy quotient, I consider the tests annoying.

56. He he he. I have a high ability to analyse and explore a system.

DAE here

NAE with a SQ of 72 and an EQ of 21 (wow, that high?).

Whoa. 72... /me looks sheepish with me 45.

EQ - 8
SQ - 77

Haven't got time to do the other one at the moment, will come back to it later!

I hate you. You got a lower empathising score than me and a higher systemising score.

Malcom, you could cheat on the tests and answer so you would receive lower and higher scores respectively.

I'd happily swap.

Good.