I hate most men
I have gone to several social groups and classes over the past year trying to make friends and I can cope until some big ego man starts puffing his chest out and intimidating me.
I cannot do anything because of this. And society won't accept me. In mainstream society's eyes a man has to get along with other men. There's no way a man might not like the company of other men, that is unthinkable!
I have a care agency and when I started my care package with them my mother and I both made it clear I needed females and guess what, after a month or two they switched over all my care to males, and what had started off okay for me quickly became for the most part no help at all.
Anyone else in the same boat? And by the way I do like some men. It just so happens most of them are a minority. I generally like men with aspergers, writers, artists, comedians and bohemians like Russell Brand. But the average Man i cannot bear at all.
What you are talking about is "toxic masculinity". The men in my family are not like that. Is it really most men or is it a minority of men who ruin it for everyone else?
Yeah men blow. It's the socialization, it's not personal. But still. I can't get too close to men. I'm a total woman's woman. The only problem with women is their general desperation for male approval, and willingness to be vapid in order to get said approval. But when women are not around men they are great.
I feel like I actually understand men really well, and I totally care and have a lot of compassion for the societal pressures they face, and natural need to have fun and feel good about themselves. They just don't do it for me on an interpersonal level.
That's a stereotype, and it's not true. All people have emotional sensitivity. Some people more than others. The distinctions between men and women are from centuries of women having no options in life other than tending to the family. As a woman with aspergers I am no where near as nurturing as most women, not by a long shot, because that nurturing thing is just the female counterpart to the BS macho games that men play.
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San Francisco is full of incredibly high achievers and internationally competitive professionals. Is that what you're talking about? Or are you trying to sound cool by playing off of a very dated stereotype.
Chances are you wouldn't last a month in San Francisco, and not because you aren't 'artsy' enough.
You don't know what you're talking about.
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I think a lot of men just bend to what they see as societal pressures of not showing much emotion and learn early on how to keep all that locked away inside.
I find the differences in mentality and personality between men and women quite fascinating.
Question for ladies - do you think women have a natural urge to 'let off steam on a regular basis?'. I have always felt that men have that inside them and can often channel it into sport, either playing or passionately following, but is also maybe the reason men go so crazy on beer, wild nights, fighting etc. I am speculating here so could have it all wrong but I have just always felt this is something natural to men.
^Yeah, it's called testosterone! It's what drives a lot of men.
I used to work in a department as the only woman among ten men. For the most part I got along with them and even had some deep conversations with them. They can gossip too!
Now I'm at Tafe and I get along very well with my male teacher. I don't know why, but I've mostly found men easy to talk to.
It sounds like the way I am with a lot of women! It's probably because men are likely to be competitive with other men, while women are likely to be competitive with other women. Everyone needs to let go of this idea life is a competition, but sadly that's the way mainstream culture has raised us.
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I tend to get along with both genders (when I get along with people at all), but for years before I was diagnosed I tended to get along better with men and be more relaxed and comfortable around them. But when other people mentioned this I would get uncomfortable. But since my diagnosis I think I understand why, now. Most of the men I knew were friendlier, more easygoing, and easier to please. A lot of women I knew were more likely to overreact or judge me by my behavior, and they were too high-strung and difficult to please. Guys tended to be more "fun". I could usually talk to them more about cartoons and video games. I knew some women who were obsessed with soap operas and once when I poked fun at them for acting as if the actors on the shows were real live people, one of them angrily said, "You're the same with cartoons, only worse!"
Do you like martial arts? If you learn to defend yourself perhaps the puffery won't be as repulsive. You could get some confidence and be the badass that knows he could kicks anyone's ass. If not that's cools too but I think it would help with confidence. That's all they constantly try to do is assert dominance, just like apes. But if you know you can handle yourself you will naturally be able to play the game and not let these s**theads intimidate you.
Stop hanging around insecure douchebags without the faintest clue what it means to be masculine. I've done martial arts, and I do IPSC now. Lots of testosterone to go around, several guys with military or police/security careers and the like. Y'know what's really rare in these environments? Insecure dick-flailing, belligerence, misogyny and BS. Y'know what there's plenty of? Humility, consideration, honesty, helpfulness and humour.
Any environment that contains humans will have its idiots, but the problem with the sort of guys you describe has little to do with being men.
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I'm curious OP, did you grow up with a father in your household? It would make sense that you're less comfortable around men if you didn't ever successfully bond with one, whether that be through family or friendships.
Most of my (admittedly few) friends are guys, though they're not into sports or anything like that. They tend to be more into politics and music like me. I find that guys tend to appreciate my sense of humour more, and probably overall the topics I choose to talk about, but then the amount of women I've gotten close to aside from family is very very few.
I'm not sure if martial arts is something I could do but I'll look into it.
Most of my (admittedly few) friends are guys, though they're not into sports or anything like that. They tend to be more into politics and music like me. I find that guys tend to appreciate my sense of humour more, and probably overall the topics I choose to talk about, but then the amount of women I've gotten close to aside from family is very very few.
You might have hit the nail on the head there. My father was quite strict and I didn't bond too well with him. If I swore he literally washed my mouth with a bar of soap. At one time I became really unhappy and would sit around all day just eating microwave meals and he became so angry one day he picked up a knife and started screaming and yelling at me that I was a rat and to get out. On that day I ran away to stay in a B&B and the next day went to live for a while with my sister. It sounds like a cliché but maybe that relationship affected my feelings about men.
But I doubt that explains it all. Even as a 5 year old boy i invited my male and female classmates to a birthday party. Not a single male turned up but all the girls did. So I must have always had trouble connecting with guys.
It's a possibility, but I'd imagine it to be rare for people to be able to bond easier with members of the opposite sex, even among Aspies. Especially to the point where all the people attending your birthday party are members of the opposite sex.
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I grew up in a very small town a long way away from here and now live in a town of 90,000 people. Though this town isn't that large it has year round tourists visiting because it's a seaside resort. Where I live is fairly average.
I think my issue with men seems universal. I have had this issue all over the UK. I could possibly find men from another culture easier to deal with, I'm not sure about that.
As an American, one thing that has always struck me about the U.K. is, how much bullying there is on the street compared to in the U.S. It does seem like there are a lot of guys in the U.K. with something to prove. I'm not saying that street bullying never happens in the U.S. but a lot of the things I've seen take place in the U.K. would be quite socially inappropriate and shocking by American standards. For example, we don't really have sports hooligans or gangs of middle aged working men walking around vandalizing the city and being jerks. Our gang members are proper criminals.

