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25 Mar 2018, 4:00 pm

I'm wondering if you are a christian, Elle? (from your use of the word amen)
Because that got me thinking, isn't christianity kind of based on magical thinking? With all the healing by faith sort of ideas? How do you feel about those?
(I'm an atheist, by the way)



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25 Mar 2018, 4:12 pm

Joe90 wrote:
Well in time a thread here will spring up titled "is magical thinking an Aspie thing?"


I think typically not :)



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25 Mar 2018, 4:18 pm

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I dislike the implication that I should believe something that defies evidence. That is the core of magical thinking.


Not necessarily

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What quantum physics is uncovering is that one’s perceptions and beliefs about reality actually alter reality to fit that perspective.

This is huge!

For example, scientists have performed experiments attempting to discover whether the basic building blocks of our Universe are either particles or waves. They argued and argued as each scientist obtained different results whenever the experiment was performed, and eventually they took a step back and began experimenting in a new way.

They discovered that the fundamental building blocks became waves or particles depending on the expectations of the scientist doing the experimenting. If the scientist expected them to be particles, that’s what they appeared as; if the scientist expected them to be waves, that’s what they appeared as.

This new understanding of our world has yet to make it to the mainstream individual. Thus, people continue to believe that their reality is the way it is because of something beyond their control when, in fact, their reality is the way it is because of the specific way they expect it to be.


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/carla-sc ... 53068.html


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25 Mar 2018, 4:47 pm

ElleGaunt wrote:
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Well, depends what you mean by magical thinking.

Does he explain the world by magic when there are reasons to explain?


Magical thinking means superstitions. In this situation this person told me that I should believe I will pass the exam I take on Tuesday if I want to pass it. I told him point blank that there is a reasonable chance I won't because of my skill level. It's a computationally rigorous exam and unfortunately I just don't have the fundamentals mastered, yet. I'm still doing my best and I can see that I may pass it. But I may not and that's just reality. I'm ok with that. A lot of people fail it -- it has a 40% pass rate. But what I know is that if I continue to work at it eventually I will pass it.

I dislike the implication that I should believe something that defies evidence. That is the core of magical thinking.


You mean that positive thinking crap? I hate that too. I like reality than doing magical thinking.


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25 Mar 2018, 5:10 pm

I prefer magical thinking to reality.


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25 Mar 2018, 7:38 pm

LaetiBlabla wrote:
I like logic and I usually point out the slightest lack of logic in any discussion/situation. (which i'd better not do sometimes...)


And this is why I love aspies. :-) :-) :-)

I don't even mind full blown schizophrenics because I can understand that they legitimately can't distinguish reality from fiction. But this feels more like willful ignorance, which for some reason really bothers me when people point it towards me. That's the only time it bothers me, really. If people are talking about themselves that's a totally different story!



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25 Mar 2018, 7:40 pm

MrsPeel wrote:
I'm wondering if you are a christian, Elle? (from your use of the word amen)
Because that got me thinking, isn't christianity kind of based on magical thinking? With all the healing by faith sort of ideas? How do you feel about those?
(I'm an atheist, by the way)


Nice try. No, I'm not. Go take your religious debates somewhere else, and try google the next time you want to be a smart alec. It's an expression, a very common expression, that means "does anyone agree?"



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25 Mar 2018, 7:42 pm

League_Girl wrote:

You mean that positive thinking crap? I hate that too. I like reality than doing magical thinking.



And THAT is what is meant by "an amen."

THANK YOU. I exactly mean that positive thinking crap. I 100% mean that positive thinking crap. It's possible to believe in the possibility of a good outcome and still be willing to assess risk. This positive thinking crap is a form of denial and I am NOT FEELING IT.



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25 Mar 2018, 7:52 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
ElleGaunt wrote:

I dislike the implication that I should believe something that defies evidence. That is the core of magical thinking.


Not necessarily


And you, my friend, just used a "proof by example" logical fallacy, by which you attempted to show that magical thinking either doesn't exist or isn't actually defined by believing things that defy evidence. I leave it to you to clarify as "not necessarily" was a bit vague for me.

Magical thinking is a phenomenon that means to believe something that defies evidence, such as believing that you can control outcomes if you visualize that they will come true. The fact that quantum mechanics exists doesn't negate the existence of magical thinking. You might be prone to magical thinking and you might not like hearing it called out as bogus, but it certainly exists and it certainly is bogus.



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25 Mar 2018, 7:54 pm

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Isn't "amen" an example of magical thinking?


No, "get an amen" means for people to convey that "I hear you" or "I agree" or "I relate."

I wasn't commenting on the context you used it in.

"Amen" is used at the end of prayer by some people as a magical "let it be" (as I have requested).
This is no different than manifestation or extreme positive thinking. i.e magical thinking.


If you weren't referring to how I used it why did you bring that up to me? It's completely off topic.



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25 Mar 2018, 8:04 pm

I think that the schizophrenics go into "magic thinking" all the time, and stay in it because it is a confortable escape.
They escape their specific difficulties into a magic world, where they usually occupy a central and dominant position.

Then in the middle average, you find the NT mixing a bit of logic and a bit of magic.

Then you find the autistic robotic logic. I think if you (autistic) want others to understand and accept you, then it is important to learn understand and accept others, even if it breaks all logic, up to understanding and caring for people living in a crazy magic world. Like one would say, be the change you want in this world. Amen ;) ;)



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25 Mar 2018, 8:23 pm

some "magical thinking" has benefited me.



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25 Mar 2018, 8:40 pm

Magical thinking or other form of irrationality is the response you should expect from anyone either not interested in solving the problem you care about or more interested in not looking weak by admitting they don’t have a solution.

Yes, I know I’d run out of air if I tried to speak that sentence aloud. No, that’s not a licence to insert random commas in a mindless attempt to make it look better.


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25 Mar 2018, 9:20 pm

Being positive, within boundaries of common sense, is a good thing. The positive thinking movement is not. Motivational speakers, for the most part, make me sick. Some are so intense that you wish they would just sit down and shut up. Others have a limited set of about five formulaic, boilerplate speeches that bore you to death. Feel good stories often make you feel bad or make you feel as though you've been given a lecture.

I prefer stories that are precisely life size, stories about a struggle somebody went through in life, who helped them through it and what they did to solve the problem. Denis Istomin represents an inspirational story of this type for me. He doesn't spend a long time discussing the car accident that nearly killed him, preferring instead to speak of his recovery and his road to the professional tennis tour.



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25 Mar 2018, 9:24 pm

ElleGaunt wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
ElleGaunt wrote:

I dislike the implication that I should believe something that defies evidence. That is the core of magical thinking.


Not necessarily


And you, my friend, just used a "proof by example" logical fallacy, by which you attempted to show that magical thinking either doesn't exist or isn't actually defined by believing things that defy evidence. I leave it to you to clarify as "not necessarily" was a bit vague for me.

Magical thinking is a phenomenon that means to believe something that defies evidence, such as believing that you can control outcomes if you visualize that they will come true. The fact that quantum mechanics exists doesn't negate the existence of magical thinking. You might be prone to magical thinking and you might not like hearing it called out as bogus, but it certainly exists and it certainly is bogus.


You misunderstood , it's my fault , I should of the deleted the last sentence of your quote. I wasn't trying to deny the existence of magical thinking , I was just showing evidence exists about positive thinking working.

But judging by your response to me and others you clearly have a bug up your arse and are not the kind to reason as your mind is already made up and can't be changed with facts. :roll:


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26 Mar 2018, 3:36 am

I'm a firm believer in magical thinking.. and my life? ..is magical. 8)


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