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26 Mar 2018, 5:19 pm

The term "high functioning" is deceptive. It assumes that a person who is diagnosed as "high functioning" must be so in all areas of life. That is not true. I am extremely intelligent, even gifted (verbal IQ of 134), and I hold a full-time job. Despite that, I struggle massively. I'm barely hanging on to said job, and getting ready to quit and find something less stressful because the office politics and bullying have driven me very close to suicide, as recently as three weeks ago.

I've only stuck it out this long because I don't have the skills to find work that pays a living wage on my own. I'm having to wait for my job coaches (plural, because I need more than one) to help me organise services that will help me get a direct support worker for my next job. It would be this person's responsibility to remind me of things, help me stay organised and on top of my work, accompany me to work functions or trainings that are otherwise so overwhelming that I can't attend them, and be there as physical support for the massive, self-injurious meltdowns I have on the job once to twice a month, which 50% of the time involve my bolting. Last Friday's meltdown almost caused me to get hit by a car as I ran into traffic, oblivious to my surroundings. It was only my friend who saved my life.

So. Yes, I'm female, yes, I have a college degree and a full-time professional career, yes, I'm intellectually gifted, and yes, I can drive. But I also can't adequately feed myself, forget to take regular showers, don't know how to clean a house, would forget to pay my bills if I weren't living with my sister, and require full-time support in order to maintain employment. How would you describe a person like that? High functioning or low functioning?


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26 Mar 2018, 5:29 pm

Honestly I wonder how much circumstances affect how high functioning someone is. In my first year of college at 16-17 years old my social skills increased greatly for the first time in my life I was able to hold a semi decent conversation with a stranger, at the time most students were getting £30 a week my mothers income being over £30k stopped me from getting this so she gave me it instead. I thought my social skills were good enough to get a job so I applied to the easiest place as possible Mcdonalds. On my first day some gay lad was flirting with me a lot, the stress was too much so I quit then my mother decided to stop giving me the £30 a week, so I was the only person I knew not getting money I was further Isolated and which started my regression. Now at 29 I have achieved nothing with my life and live in isolation and my social skills are worse than ever. If I had not gotten that Job I would have continued to strengthen my social skills and would have went to Uni and have a life now.



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26 Mar 2018, 5:47 pm

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The term "high functioning" is deceptive. It assumes that a person who is diagnosed as "high functioning" must be so in all areas of life. That is not true. I am extremely intelligent, even gifted (verbal IQ of 134), and I hold a full-time job. Despite that, I struggle massively. I'm barely hanging on to said job, and getting ready to quit and find something less stressful because the office politics and bullying have driven me very close to suicide, as recently as three weeks ago.

I've only stuck it out this long because I don't have the skills to find work that pays a living wage on my own. I'm having to wait for my job coaches (plural, because I need more than one) to help me organise services that will help me get a direct support worker for my next job. It would be this person's responsibility to remind me of things, help me stay organised and on top of my work, accompany me to work functions or trainings that are otherwise so overwhelming that I can't attend them, and be there as physical support for the massive, self-injurious meltdowns I have on the job once to twice a month, which 50% of the time involve my bolting. Last Friday's meltdown almost caused me to get hit by a car as I ran into traffic, oblivious to my surroundings. It was only my friend who saved my life.

So. Yes, I'm female, yes, I have a college degree and a full-time professional career, yes, I'm intellectually gifted, and yes, I can drive. But I also can't adequately feed myself, forget to take regular showers, don't know how to clean a house, would forget to pay my bills if I weren't living with my sister, and require full-time support in order to maintain employment. How would you describe a person like that? High functioning or low functioning?


I don't know. I hope things work out well for you.

I didn't expect a reply like that. I suppose I am ignorant but still I have my reasons for what I said. I know I have been treated like a third class citizen here. But I wish you the best, I can see you are honest and things aren't easy for you.



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26 Mar 2018, 5:51 pm

people like Darryl Hannah and Dan Ackroyd [both Dx'ed] i'd call high-functioning, IOW they could "pass" for NT. the people in the functional hierarchy beneath then i'd call "high-ER functioning."



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26 Mar 2018, 5:52 pm

I'm female, have no circle of friends, never had a job, couldn't finish school (not due to academic performance--which was always very high--but due to my inability to make friends at school and to network socially which is essential in higher education and academia and because of my anxiety and depression.) But I am labeled "high-functioning" because I am verbal and my personal hygiene is good and I don't visibly stim a lot when out in public.

Can we please stop it with the "girls have it so much easier than guys" BS, PLEASE???



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26 Mar 2018, 5:55 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
I'm female, have no circle of friends, never had a job, couldn't finish school (not due to academic performance--which was always very high--but due to my inability to make friends at school and to network socially which is essential in higher education and academia and because of my anxiety and depression.) But I am labeled "high-functioning" because I am verbal and my personal hygiene is good and I don't visibly stim a lot when out in public.

Can we please stop it with the "girls have it so much easier than guys" BS, PLEASE???


I can understand you getting irritated by it. However women in society are expected to play more of a passive role, which means their social problems tend to effect them less. I would imagine the women on here are far more likely to be employed and to have had relationships.



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26 Mar 2018, 6:03 pm

Daniel89 wrote:
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I'm female, have no circle of friends, never had a job, couldn't finish school (not due to academic performance--which was always very high--but due to my inability to make friends at school and to network socially which is essential in higher education and academia and because of my anxiety and depression.) But I am labeled "high-functioning" because I am verbal and my personal hygiene is good and I don't visibly stim a lot when out in public.

Can we please stop it with the "girls have it so much easier than guys" BS, PLEASE???


I can understand you getting irritated by it. However women in society are expected to play more of a passive role, which means their social problems tend to effect them less. I would imagine the women on here are far more likely to be employed and to have had relationships.


Autistic women are far more likely to have had abusive relationships, yes. Is that "better" than never being in a relationship at all? Can you just accept that autistic women have a different experience than you without trying to quantify and compare suffering? Why not instead talk about what we have in common?

Autistic guys, this is a BIG part of your social struggles: what you do to autistic women, who could be your greatest allies and instead you want to compete with us for who has it worse.



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26 Mar 2018, 6:07 pm

I have seen posts from people in this forum where they implore people to get a job.

Do they know how that makes people like me feel? I have had strangers say that to me even though I am on the verge of a mental breakdown.

It is a trigger. I find it offensive people lecture others. I have seen people write things like 'you can't expect others to pay your way'. This sounds like a backhanded insult to aspies like me who for whatever reason cannot work.

And some people here I know ignore me deliberately. I have posted replies to them several times and they never reply. And they never reply to one of my threads, but do start ones or answer others on the same day, making it obvious they don't want anything to do with me. And yet they talk to most people.



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26 Mar 2018, 6:09 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

Autistic women are far more likely to have had abusive relationships, yes. Is that "better" than never being in a relationship at all? Can you just accept that autistic women have a different experience than you without trying to quantify and compare suffering? Why not instead talk about what we have in common?

Autistic guys, this is a BIG part of your social struggles: what you do to autistic women, who could be your greatest allies and instead you want to compete with us for who has it worse.


I would say it is better yes because you can end the relationship. I would say in general males do have it worse but that doesn't mean women don't have it bad.



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26 Mar 2018, 6:19 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
I'm female, have no circle of friends, never had a job, couldn't finish school (not due to academic performance--which was always very high--but due to my inability to make friends at school and to network socially which is essential in higher education and academia and because of my anxiety and depression.) But I am labeled "high-functioning" because I am verbal and my personal hygiene is good and I don't visibly stim a lot when out in public.

Can we please stop it with the "girls have it so much easier than guys" BS, PLEASE???


I had to drop out of college for the same reasons but I am constantly told I need to "suck it up", even by some of the people here, and go back despite how the things that made me drop out are still there. Are you told these things as well?

I agree both genders have different experiences but neither should downplay the others. Abusive relationships and being unable to have any despite your best efforts are both nightmares.



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26 Mar 2018, 7:01 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

Can we please stop it with the "girls have it so much easier than guys" BS, PLEASE???


What is your problem? Nothing has been said about woman since you stated this thread was sexist , you are clearly seeing things that do not exist.

You are clearly looking for a fight.


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26 Mar 2018, 7:06 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

Can we please stop it with the "girls have it so much easier than guys" BS, PLEASE???


What is your problem? Nothing has been said about woman since you stated this thread was sexist , you are clearly seeing things that do not exist.

You are clearly looking for a fight.


Yup, it's just me. I know for a fact there are no other women on this forum tired of guys talking about how much easier autistic women have it than autistic men. No other women think that, just me, because I'm looking for a fight. :roll:



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26 Mar 2018, 7:07 pm

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karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
I'm female, have no circle of friends, never had a job, couldn't finish school (not due to academic performance--which was always very high--but due to my inability to make friends at school and to network socially which is essential in higher education and academia and because of my anxiety and depression.) But I am labeled "high-functioning" because I am verbal and my personal hygiene is good and I don't visibly stim a lot when out in public.

Can we please stop it with the "girls have it so much easier than guys" BS, PLEASE???


I had to drop out of college for the same reasons but I am constantly told I need to "suck it up", even by some of the people here, and go back despite how the things that made me drop out are still there. Are you told these things as well?

I agree both genders have different experiences but neither should downplay the others. Abusive relationships and being unable to have any despite your best efforts are both nightmares.


Yes, I have been told my whole life that my problems are all "in my head" and that I should just "suck it up" and "get over" my social anxiety. "You get good grades, there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to finish school and get a good job." I hear all that stupid s**t too. It is not exclusive to guys, to be told things like that.



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26 Mar 2018, 7:10 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
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karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

Can we please stop it with the "girls have it so much easier than guys" BS, PLEASE???


What is your problem? Nothing has been said about woman since you stated this thread was sexist , you are clearly seeing things that do not exist.

You are clearly looking for a fight.


Yup, it's just me. I know for a fact there are no other women on this forum tired of guys talking about how much easier autistic women have it than autistic men. No other women think that, just me, because I'm looking for a fight. :roll:


twist it anyway you want, but you made your point , no one took the bait so you decided to turn this thread into your personal agenda , where has anyone here said that woman have it easier , I must be blind coz I don't see it.


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26 Mar 2018, 7:27 pm

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twist it anyway you want, but you made your point , no one took the bait so you decided to turn this thread into your personal agenda , where has anyone here said that woman have it easier , I must be blind coz I don't see it.


I believe in general women with Autism do have it easier than men with Autism, just as I believe a person with one leg has it easier than someone with none. Easier but not easy.