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Aristophanes
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10 Apr 2018, 6:59 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
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Schools aren’t outpatient medical centers and teachers aren’t psychologists.

By law, they are supposed to play those roles and teachers have always used techniques based on perceived reasons a child acts the way he or she does.

Prospective teachers often take college courses with content about autism.

As far as I’m aware they’re only tasked with providing services for the disabled, not diagnosis, and if that is the law it needs changed because it’s ludicrous to think a person completely uninformed about psychological issues could make accurate diagnoses.



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11 Apr 2018, 1:18 am

Aristophanes wrote:
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Schools aren’t outpatient medical centers and teachers aren’t psychologists.

By law, they are supposed to play those roles and teachers have always used techniques based on perceived reasons a child acts the way he or she does.

Prospective teachers often take college courses with content about autism.

As far as I’m aware they’re only tasked with providing services for the disabled, not diagnosis, and if that is the law it needs changed because it’s ludicrous to think a person completely uninformed about psychological issues could make accurate diagnoses.


I don't think that teachers should be trying to be diagnosticians, but experienced teachers should be able to recognise when a child has certain issues, and be able to refer them forfurther assessment with a GP or diagnostician.


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11 Apr 2018, 2:06 am

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It wouldn't surprise me. I know an autistic lady in the USA whose university has several times tried to ignore her diagnosis. It took a lot of effort to kick them back into line. I was there. Seems they have a policy of resetting all the adjustments back to zero every term. They also tried (without success) to exclude her mother from negotiations, presumably because that gives her a fighting chance. Occupational rehab told us verbally she was unemployable, which was their excuse for dropping her, but they didn't put that in writing because (I think) they didn't dare, their official attitude is that nobody is unemployable. All I can be be sure of is that that they neglect their responsibilities, but the evidence is consistent with them deliberately ignoring her disability, and they have the motive (money) and the opportunity. Educational institutions are more like for-profit businesses these days, and if I were trying to use their services I'd thoroughly expect them to try quite hard to fob me off with nothing, and to be quite adept at doing so.


Which university?



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11 Apr 2018, 7:37 am

Well I wasn't diagnosed until I was 19 though the first school related person to acknowledge it was a school counselor that I had back in high school. I guess it just depends on how educated people are on the subject.



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11 Apr 2018, 6:47 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
Schools aren’t outpatient medical centers and teachers aren’t psychologists.

By law, they are supposed to play those roles and teachers have always used techniques based on perceived reasons a child acts the way he or she does.

Prospective teachers often take college courses with content about autism.



No...by law teachers are not allowed to diagnose or prescribe. Would you want a teacher to have the ability to decide that a kid with a headache should take some advil, but really the kid has a concussion and needs much more in depth intervention, possibly dying from taking advil from continuing with regular activity?

Teachers are required to take the diagnoses and modifications given by those with medical degrees and follow modifications as determined by the drs. Teachers are often the first to notice the processing issues related to autism and then refer the student, but teachers are not overly educated in being able assess and distinguish what the source of the learning difference is.

Have you seen related college course content? What I've seen is archaic.