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20 May 2018, 9:59 pm

Neither did mine until they realized it was the only option.



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21 May 2018, 11:52 am

I refuse to take meds, especially for things like that. It is important for me to always know and feel what my body and mind are doing. I need to know what environments overwhelm me and what triggers me. That way I am in control of my environments. If my responses are being suppressed, I don't know how that will affect my brain in the long run. I have already sustained enough damage and been neurologically altered from decades of trying to suppress and hide and mask my natural responses. I am not willing to deliberately contribute to that happening again. I know that many people take meds and I am not against meds for people who feel they need them. If that is what is right for that person, I am fully supportive of that. But it is not what I choose for myself. I want to be fully aware of what my body is doing and feeling. The more aware I am, the more I can accommodate my needs and I can also tell when I am in real danger and when I am not. It is very important for me to know these things.


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21 May 2018, 12:14 pm

I agree to that. I dont want to be on meds. I want to feel my feelings.


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21 May 2018, 5:22 pm

I'm the opposite. From age 11 thru 20, I would have sold my soul for some strong, powerful antidepressants. I went through very long stints of being very depressed. I tried hinting with my therapist to get me some antidepressants, and even asked her outright. She blithely deflected my request, treating me like I'm stupid, and wasn't even honest enough to admit that she wasn't authorized to write prescriptions. (She was an LCSW, and only M.D.'s can prescribe.)

At age 12, I started (ab)using alcohol, which lifted me out of sadness like a Valkyrie carrying off a fallen soldier to the Valhalla. Sadly, the effect lasted only a short time, and it was very hard to get my hands on. I tried to make do with cold medications, but they were too weak to have much effect, and stores didn't sell them to kids even back then. On occasion, I'd stick my feet, with socks on, into a bucket of ice water, to give myself a cold, which required medications.

At age 18, I was able to start smoking; cigarettes helped me get through stressful times, although they weren't strong enough to help with depression.

At age 21, I no longer had a need for antidepressants, since I could buy myself as much alcohol as I wanted. And I still had my cigarettes.



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21 May 2018, 6:19 pm

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I refuse to take meds, especially for things like that. It is important for me to always know and feel what my body and mind are doing. I need to know what environments overwhelm me and what triggers me. That way I am in control of my environments. If my responses are being suppressed, I don't know how that will affect my brain in the long run. I have already sustained enough damage and been neurologically altered from decades of trying to suppress and hide and mask my natural responses. I am not willing to deliberately contribute to that happening again. I know that many people take meds and I am not against meds for people who feel they need them. If that is what is right for that person, I am fully supportive of that. But it is not what I choose for myself. I want to be fully aware of what my body is doing and feeling. The more aware I am, the more I can accommodate my needs and I can also tell when I am in real danger and when I am not. It is very important for me to know these things.



I don't take meds for autism. I have severe co-morbid mental illnesses. For me the choices are take the meds, or live in a hospital. I value my freedom. Don't be so quick to assume why someone is taking meds.



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21 May 2018, 6:25 pm

livingwithautism wrote:
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I refuse to take meds, especially for things like that. It is important for me to always know and feel what my body and mind are doing. I need to know what environments overwhelm me and what triggers me. That way I am in control of my environments. If my responses are being suppressed, I don't know how that will affect my brain in the long run. I have already sustained enough damage and been neurologically altered from decades of trying to suppress and hide and mask my natural responses. I am not willing to deliberately contribute to that happening again. I know that many people take meds and I am not against meds for people who feel they need them. If that is what is right for that person, I am fully supportive of that. But it is not what I choose for myself. I want to be fully aware of what my body is doing and feeling. The more aware I am, the more I can accommodate my needs and I can also tell when I am in real danger and when I am not. It is very important for me to know these things.



I don't take meds for autism. I have severe co-morbid mental illnesses. For me the choices are take the meds, or live in a hospital. I value my freedom. Don't be so quick to assume why someone is taking meds.
I have a relative who is in the same situation even though he does not have Autism. He has other things. He relies on meds to stay stable or he really can't. I totally respect that and I have no problem with people who really need them. I just don't want that as an option for myself. But if others find that it is very helpful to them, I totally understand and support them in their need and in their decisions.


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21 May 2018, 6:28 pm

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I'm the opposite. From age 11 thru 20, I would have sold my soul for some strong, powerful antidepressants. I went through very long stints of being very depressed. I tried hinting with my therapist to get me some antidepressants, and even asked her outright. She blithely deflected my request, treating me like I'm stupid, and wasn't even honest enough to admit that she wasn't authorized to write prescriptions. (She was an LCSW, and only M.D.'s can prescribe.)

At age 12, I started (ab)using alcohol, which lifted me out of sadness like a Valkyrie carrying off a fallen soldier to the Valhalla. Sadly, the effect lasted only a short time, and it was very hard to get my hands on. I tried to make do with cold medications, but they were too weak to have much effect, and stores didn't sell them to kids even back then. On occasion, I'd stick my feet, with socks on, into a bucket of ice water, to give myself a cold, which required medications.

At age 18, I was able to start smoking; cigarettes helped me get through stressful times, although they weren't strong enough to help with depression.

At age 21, I no longer had a need for antidepressants, since I could buy myself as much alcohol as I wanted. And I still had my cigarettes.
It is horrible that a health professional treated you that way and literally caused you to become addicted to these substances. I am sorry that happened to you.


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21 May 2018, 7:25 pm

I'm off my mood meds and am treating my moods/stress level by taking better care of myself.


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21 May 2018, 10:42 pm

skibum wrote:
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skibum wrote:
I refuse to take meds, especially for things like that. It is important for me to always know and feel what my body and mind are doing. I need to know what environments overwhelm me and what triggers me. That way I am in control of my environments. If my responses are being suppressed, I don't know how that will affect my brain in the long run. I have already sustained enough damage and been neurologically altered from decades of trying to suppress and hide and mask my natural responses. I am not willing to deliberately contribute to that happening again. I know that many people take meds and I am not against meds for people who feel they need them. If that is what is right for that person, I am fully supportive of that. But it is not what I choose for myself. I want to be fully aware of what my body is doing and feeling. The more aware I am, the more I can accommodate my needs and I can also tell when I am in real danger and when I am not. It is very important for me to know these things.



I don't take meds for autism. I have severe co-morbid mental illnesses. For me the choices are take the meds, or live in a hospital. I value my freedom. Don't be so quick to assume why someone is taking meds.
I have a relative who is in the same situation even though he does not have Autism. He has other things. He relies on meds to stay stable or he really can't. I totally respect that and I have no problem with people who really need them. I just don't want that as an option for myself. But if others find that it is very helpful to them, I totally understand and support them in their need and in their decisions.


Well I'd be lying if I said I wasn't offended by your other statement, assuming that I was referring to meds for autism without even asking.



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22 May 2018, 11:16 am

Therapy has to be the best time for a "meltdown"


It appears that you are doing your best and trying to improve



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22 May 2018, 12:17 pm

livingwithautism wrote:
skibum wrote:
livingwithautism wrote:
skibum wrote:
I refuse to take meds, especially for things like that. It is important for me to always know and feel what my body and mind are doing. I need to know what environments overwhelm me and what triggers me. That way I am in control of my environments. If my responses are being suppressed, I don't know how that will affect my brain in the long run. I have already sustained enough damage and been neurologically altered from decades of trying to suppress and hide and mask my natural responses. I am not willing to deliberately contribute to that happening again. I know that many people take meds and I am not against meds for people who feel they need them. If that is what is right for that person, I am fully supportive of that. But it is not what I choose for myself. I want to be fully aware of what my body is doing and feeling. The more aware I am, the more I can accommodate my needs and I can also tell when I am in real danger and when I am not. It is very important for me to know these things.



I don't take meds for autism. I have severe co-morbid mental illnesses. For me the choices are take the meds, or live in a hospital. I value my freedom. Don't be so quick to assume why someone is taking meds.
I have a relative who is in the same situation even though he does not have Autism. He has other things. He relies on meds to stay stable or he really can't. I totally respect that and I have no problem with people who really need them. I just don't want that as an option for myself. But if others find that it is very helpful to them, I totally understand and support them in their need and in their decisions.


Well I'd be lying if I said I wasn't offended by your other statement, assuming that I was referring to meds for autism without even asking.
I never assumed you took meds for Autism. I don't know why you would think that I did. There are no meds for Autism. Not that I know of anyway. I am sorry if you were offended by something I said. I never meant to say that you took meds for Autism nor did I ever imply that you did. As far as I know, no one does. As far as I know meds for Autism don't even exist. I never implied or directly said or assumed that I have any knowledge of what you specifically take meds for. I was specifically talking about my situation and the situation of my relative. I am sorry if you were offended.


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22 May 2018, 12:24 pm

skibum wrote:
livingwithautism wrote:
skibum wrote:
livingwithautism wrote:
skibum wrote:
I refuse to take meds, especially for things like that. It is important for me to always know and feel what my body and mind are doing. I need to know what environments overwhelm me and what triggers me. That way I am in control of my environments. If my responses are being suppressed, I don't know how that will affect my brain in the long run. I have already sustained enough damage and been neurologically altered from decades of trying to suppress and hide and mask my natural responses. I am not willing to deliberately contribute to that happening again. I know that many people take meds and I am not against meds for people who feel they need them. If that is what is right for that person, I am fully supportive of that. But it is not what I choose for myself. I want to be fully aware of what my body is doing and feeling. The more aware I am, the more I can accommodate my needs and I can also tell when I am in real danger and when I am not. It is very important for me to know these things.



I don't take meds for autism. I have severe co-morbid mental illnesses. For me the choices are take the meds, or live in a hospital. I value my freedom. Don't be so quick to assume why someone is taking meds.
I have a relative who is in the same situation even though he does not have Autism. He has other things. He relies on meds to stay stable or he really can't. I totally respect that and I have no problem with people who really need them. I just don't want that as an option for myself. But if others find that it is very helpful to them, I totally understand and support them in their need and in their decisions.


Well I'd be lying if I said I wasn't offended by your other statement, assuming that I was referring to meds for autism without even asking.
I never assumed you took meds for Autism. I don't know why you would think that I did. There are no meds for Autism. Not that I know of anyway. I am sorry if you were offended by something I said. I never meant to say that you took meds for Autism nor did I ever imply that you did. As far as I know, no one does. As far as I know meds for Autism don't even exist. I never implied or directly said or assumed that I have any knowledge of what you specifically take meds for. I was specifically talking about my situation and the situation of my relative. I am sorry if you were offended.


Sometimes autistic kids are put on anti-psychotics. It can mess 'em up somewhat in the long run, they are hard to get off of and basically sedates them somewhat. It's a bad idea, but it does happen sometimes. My counselor has seen it and says the kids end up much happier OFF their meds.


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22 May 2018, 1:52 pm

Wow. That is really scary. I did not know that that was done. I can totally understand the damage that can do to a kid.


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22 May 2018, 8:08 pm

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Sometimes autistic kids are put on anti-psychotics. It can mess 'em up somewhat in the long run, they are hard to get off of and basically sedates them somewhat. It's a bad idea, but it does happen sometimes. My counselor has seen it and says the kids end up much happier OFF their meds.

What about using antidepressants on autistic/aspie kids and teens? What did your counselor say about it? Because I remember asking my therapist for antidepressants (I referred to them as "sadness eliminators"), and she flippantly deflected my request. :evil: That's when I knew that asking her for antidepressants was a lose cause, and dropped the subject. I was able to make do with alcohol, but it'd be nice if I could get the real things.



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23 May 2018, 8:35 am

Aspie1 wrote:
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Sometimes autistic kids are put on anti-psychotics. It can mess 'em up somewhat in the long run, they are hard to get off of and basically sedates them somewhat. It's a bad idea, but it does happen sometimes. My counselor has seen it and says the kids end up much happier OFF their meds.

What about using antidepressants on autistic/aspie kids and teens? What did your counselor say about it? Because I remember asking my therapist for antidepressants (I referred to them as "sadness eliminators"), and she flippantly deflected my request. :evil: That's when I knew that asking her for antidepressants was a lose cause, and dropped the subject. I was able to make do with alcohol, but it'd be nice if I could get the real things.


She likes to avoid medicine if she can, but isn't completely against it. She would first have you try several different coping mechanisms, light exercise, and just going outside for mild depression or anxiety. She has been suggesting anxiety meds to me for a while now because of my bad anxiety and panic attacks, and when they got worse recently I accepted. She's sending me to a psychiatrist that will do a dna test to see which will work for me instead of the drug roulette many people seem to go through.

So she is very careful about suggesting medication, but does understand it can be helpful.

alcohol worsens depression. Bad idea.


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23 May 2018, 9:11 am

I don't believe you should beat yourself up over the meltdowns.

But I also believe you should seek different strategies to handle your problems other than going through a meltdown. These strategies might not always work; but at least you're seeking an alternative. The more you seek the alternative, the more possibility that the calmer alternative will work for you.

It's not a matter of morality, or of you being a "greater" or "lesser" person, or of "manning up."

It's a matter of functioning in the "greater world." People, in reality, tend to be more into relating to people who come up with calm ways of handling problems.

The way to be a "normal adult" in this society is to come up with calm ways to deal with your problems. To seek solutions, and to be relatively calm. And when a meltdown happens, it happens. But at least you have insight into why it happens, and you can, through being calm, seek to offset the meltdowns before they happen.