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10 Jun 2018, 4:59 pm

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They will compare my pain to those suffering around the world

Narcissistic people do that to avoid feeling any empathy for others. I call it "the pity pageant". It makes me wonder who the incredibly unfortunate "winner" is. You know, the only person who is actually worse off than everybody else, and who alone deserves sympathy. :roll:


ahah i wondered about that whilst watching game of thrones - who has had the hardest time on the show????


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10 Jun 2018, 5:05 pm

Amanda G23 wrote:
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They will compare my pain to those suffering around the world

Narcissistic people do that to avoid feeling any empathy for others. I call it "the pity pageant". It makes me wonder who the incredibly unfortunate "winner" is. You know, the only person who is actually worse off than everybody else, and who alone deserves sympathy. :roll:


^Exactly


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11 Jun 2018, 6:43 pm

fromamegaverse wrote:
Amanda G23 wrote:
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They will compare my pain to those suffering around the world

Narcissistic people do that to avoid feeling any empathy for others. I call it "the pity pageant". It makes me wonder who the incredibly unfortunate "winner" is. You know, the only person who is actually worse off than everybody else, and who alone deserves sympathy. :roll:


^Exactly


Are you saying that the Narcissist is the one deserving of sympathy ? Wow . That is something I would have a very hard time doing given the needless pain and suffering they have brought to others but oddly , I think that your way of perceiving a Narcissist is helpful and healing . Thanks for that . I still think it may take some time and understanding on my part to actually see them as the one who is worse off than everyone else , for a change :roll: I'm so accustomed to having them point out others faults while while simultaneously using their charismatic and persuasive ' Persona ' to manage everybodys perception of their perfect image of themselves . Uggggghhh :twisted:



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11 Jun 2018, 6:49 pm

StarThrower wrote:
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Amanda G23 wrote:
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They will compare my pain to those suffering around the world

Narcissistic people do that to avoid feeling any empathy for others. I call it "the pity pageant". It makes me wonder who the incredibly unfortunate "winner" is. You know, the only person who is actually worse off than everybody else, and who alone deserves sympathy. :roll:


^Exactly


Are you saying that the Narcissist is the one deserving of sympathy ? Wow . That is something I would have a very hard time doing given the needless pain and suffering they have brought to others but oddly , I think that your way of perceiving a Narcissist is helpful and healing . Thanks for that . I still think it may take some time and understanding on my part to actually see them as the one who is worse off than everyone else , for a change :roll: I'm so accustomed to having them point out others faults while while simultaneously using their charismatic and persuasive ' Persona ' to manage everybodys perception of their perfect image of themselves . Uggggghhh :twisted:


Lol no....I believe people in general only deserve sympathy when they're suffering, not when they make others suffer deliberately. Just agreeing how funny narcissists are, wanting to play the pity game to the point that they see it as something to win.


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11 Jun 2018, 7:07 pm

Thanks for clearing that up , I feel the same way . Interestingly , I do think that developing empathy towards Narcissists might be might actually be very disarming to them . They feed on our pain , empathy is the opposite of what they seek . Antivenom ? perhaps .



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11 Jun 2018, 7:15 pm

StarThrower wrote:
Thanks for clearing that up , I feel the same way . Interestingly , I do think that developing empathy towards Narcissists might be might actually be very disarming to them . They feed on our pain , empathy is the opposite of what they seek . Antivenom ? perhaps .


While I like this sentiment....and I have empathy for just about anyone who's suffering. I've tired this tactic when narcissists hurt others but found it only made them feel more justified in causing suffering in others. To be a narcissist you literally have to have either no empathy or very limited empathy. They see themselves as the victim...even when they could be the ones killing an innocent victim.


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11 Jun 2018, 7:26 pm

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Thanks for clearing that up , I feel the same way . Interestingly , I do think that developing empathy towards Narcissists might be might actually be very disarming to them . They feed on our pain , empathy is the opposite of what they seek . Antivenom ? perhaps .


um if by narcissistic you mean someone who doesn't feel empathy i can assure you that showing them empathy is not going to disarm them, they will think you are weak and take advantage. i've learnt that showing too much consideration of others isn't always good. these days i can relate to people without empathy much better. with depression i have felt what it's like to feel nothing - it's just, nothing.

[tho i feel very little love/ friendship for humans i would never go out of my way to hurt someone. also i feel strongly the need to protect the weak and animals. i just, don't care about people much unless they are hurting. i also hate those who torture the weak.]


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11 Jun 2018, 7:55 pm

Oh well , it was just a passing thought . You're right , they would see it as weakness , but wouldn't it be nice to find some way to disarm them .



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11 Jun 2018, 8:19 pm

My friends and some of my family have said some not nice stuff.

My old friend told me I was not a good friend because I didnt look them in the eye ever. I did listen to them everytime. I would also stim in front of them and they would loudly ask why I always do weird things like that. It made me feel sad.

Then I have relatives who really dont understand my dislike of touch and hugs. I try my best though


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11 Jun 2018, 8:24 pm

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My friends and some of my family have said some not nice stuff.

My old friend told me I was not a good friend because I didnt look them in the eye ever. I did listen to them everytime. I would also stim in front of them and they would loudly ask why I always do weird things like that. It made me feel sad.

Then I have relatives who really dont understand my dislike of touch and hugs. I try my best though


that sucks >< you are not doing anything wrong they are just ignorant


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11 Jun 2018, 8:25 pm

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Oh well , it was just a passing thought . You're right , they would see it as weakness , but wouldn't it be nice to find some way to disarm them .


ignore them, it will drive them crazy :lol:


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12 Jun 2018, 2:28 pm

StarThrower wrote:
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Amanda G23 wrote:
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They will compare my pain to those suffering around the world

Narcissistic people do that to avoid feeling any empathy for others. I call it "the pity pageant". It makes me wonder who the incredibly unfortunate "winner" is. You know, the only person who is actually worse off than everybody else, and who alone deserves sympathy. :roll:


^Exactly


Are you saying that the Narcissist is the one deserving of sympathy ? Wow . That is something I would have a very hard time doing given the needless pain and suffering they have brought to others but oddly , I think that your way of perceiving a Narcissist is helpful and healing . Thanks for that . I still think it may take some time and understanding on my part to actually see them as the one who is worse off than everyone else , for a change :roll: I'm so accustomed to having them point out others faults while while simultaneously using their charismatic and persuasive ' Persona ' to manage everybodys perception of their perfect image of themselves . Uggggghhh :twisted:

No, that's not what I meant. I meant they use it as an excuse to disregard other people's pain. Also, not all narcissistic people have NPD in the clinical sense, but many people have some narcissistic traits (like lack of concern for others).


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14 Jun 2018, 1:47 pm

I think narcissism is often overused. I don't think it's fair to label people as such if they don't understand something. If someone doesn't know sensory issues exist, how can they believe you? I used to think my little brother was just whining and just complaining just to complain about smells and food textures. He isn't even autistic. I was also the one diagnosed as having sensory processing issues but I never had issues with textures and smell so I didn't know those exist. I didn't even know sensory issues existed until I my teens years when I started to read about autism and Asperger's. That is why we have labels.


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14 Jun 2018, 6:16 pm

People seem to believe me, but mostly just use my sensory issues as a weakness against me.

It really has nothing to do with "believe", since it is more of a "forget"-issue


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14 Jun 2018, 9:10 pm

League_Girl wrote:
I think narcissism is often overused. I don't think it's fair to label people as such if they don't understand something. If someone doesn't know sensory issues exist, how can they believe you? I used to think my little brother was just whining and just complaining just to complain about smells and food textures. He isn't even autistic. I was also the one diagnosed as having sensory processing issues but I never had issues with textures and
smell so I didn't know those exist. I didn't even know sensory issues existed until I my teens years when I started to read about autism and Asperger's. That is why we have labels.


I get your point about narcissism being overused in general...but in this case health professionals have stated to me that they believe that certain individuals in my family have NPD.

Also ignorance and lack of understanding doesn't excuse urging someone to do something that causes pain/problems.
There are plenty of people who aren't aware of sensory issues that other people have yet they don't urge them into doing things that cause pain/problems. So why would anyone make another do something if it causes a person pain/problems especially when that person has been frequently vocal about it? A "good" excuse maybe one where enduring the pain/problems creates a measurable benefit for the person who has to endure. But that can be hard to determine.

Lastly, it's been shown that picky eaters are that way due to genetics. They literally taste things differently.

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15 Jun 2018, 6:21 am

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Anyone else feel like their family and friends invalidate your sensory issues/struggles and say some rude stuff? Mine do and demand proof of pain or else they'll guilt me into whatever it is that causes me sensory overload. They will compare my pain to those suffering around the world or something or outright say they don't believe me.


I know exactly what you're going through my dear because I went through exactly the same thing with my family for many, many years. Every time I tried to tell my parents I was in pain because of a certain noise or sensation they laughed at me or got very angry at me and sometimes I would get hit.

My parents had a very sadistic method of denial and arrogance just like the great Tony Attwood described in his book about Asperger's Syndrome. This cold and uncaring attitude prevented me from getting a proper diagnosis for decades and through habit and negative reinforcement I adopted this same philosophy of arrogance and denial. This was to my own detriment of course.

It was only after I had a heart attack at 34 years old due to Autistic burnout that I begin to seek help. But even after that it took many years because I live below the poverty line and getting a psychological assessment was problematic at best.


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