how many would abort if you could test for autism in womb

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28 Sep 2018, 12:53 pm

I have an autistic son.
I could not contemplate life without him, it would be an incredibly poor showing.
He enriches my life in every way.


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28 Sep 2018, 12:54 pm

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I wouldn't have been in the least bit bothered if my parents had chosen to abort me.

Well, obviously.
You wouldn't have existed to be able to bother.


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28 Sep 2018, 2:43 pm

The writings of The Messiah reveal that The Ultimate Crime is Abortion so definitely not.


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28 Sep 2018, 2:52 pm

Ban-Dodger wrote:
The writings of The Messiah reveal that The Ultimate Crime is Abortion so definitely not.

I thought the ultimate crime was trolling the internet?



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28 Sep 2018, 3:27 pm

Raleigh wrote:
Well, obviously.
You wouldn't have existed to be able to bother.


Indeed. So does it actually matter if foetuses are aborted in future if they are believed to be autistic? None of them will be any the wiser just as I wouldn't have been.


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28 Sep 2018, 3:34 pm

No way, my family life is very harmonious and we are a bit thin on NTs.



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28 Sep 2018, 3:39 pm

Some autistics are high functioning and some autistics are not

In some cases, abortion could be justified

The autism could be taken into account, when deciding on whether to abort

The autism is not the only or largest factor

All things being equal, autistic children require more time, money and energy to raise, than neurotypical children



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28 Sep 2018, 3:42 pm

I certainly wouldn’t. I personally think that there isn’t any big difference between aborting a fetus and murdering a baby. I would never kill an autistic child, or a child with Down’s syndrome, or any child, really. And I would only abort a baby if having it endangered my life or if I knew I was completely incapable of raising it and had no support. If I were pregnant and found out my baby was autistic, I would just pray for my child to be highly verbal in the future, just like me, so that I can understand him or her easily. And I might even be happy, because I usually understand autistic people better than neurotypicals :D


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28 Sep 2018, 3:58 pm

Yeah and like I said before not everybody is capable of taking care of a child with a severe disability like cerebral palsy, down syndrome, or even the kind of autism that is so severe it leads the person unable to talk or take care of themselves on their own.

Having a child with special needs is a lifetime commitment because your child will never be able to grow up and move out and take care of themselves. And as a parent how would you feel about yourself if you got too elderly to take care of them or you passed away and there was nobody else to take care of your special needs child for you?

Being able to overcome that and take care of your special needs child is wonderful and admirable but I personally would never hold it against parents who decided to have an abortion for that reason.

And maybe abortion is still technically killing another human being but so is executing criminals and killing soldiers in war. If you really want to believe that killing another human being is morally wrong then you should apply that thinking to ALL human beings in my opinion.



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28 Sep 2018, 4:18 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
And maybe abortion is still technically killing another human being but so is executing criminals and killing soldiers in war. If you really want to believe that killing another human being is morally wrong then you should apply that thinking to ALL human beings in my opinion.


I believe in avoiding war and am against capital punishment, but that CANNOT be compared to abortion.
A fetus did nothing wrong, unlike a criminal,
And abortion isn't self defense unlike killing in war.


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28 Sep 2018, 4:19 pm

Sandpiper wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
Well, obviously.
You wouldn't have existed to be able to bother.


Indeed. So does it actually matter if foetuses are aborted in future if they are believed to be autistic? None of them will be any the wiser just as I wouldn't have been.

The foetuses would be none the wiser, but the decision to be aborted or not is not theirs to make, so your argument is invalid.


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28 Sep 2018, 4:34 pm

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TW1ZTY wrote:
And maybe abortion is still technically killing another human being but so is executing criminals and killing soldiers in war. If you really want to believe that killing another human being is morally wrong then you should apply that thinking to ALL human beings in my opinion.


I believe in avoiding war and am against capital punishment, but that CANNOT be compared to abortion.
A fetus did nothing wrong, unlike a criminal,
And abortion isn't self defense unlike killing in war.


I don't always think of War as self defense. Sometimes soldiers are just defending their own country and sometimes they are invading someone else's country or territory. And when you fight in a war your goal is to defeat the enemy not protect yourself.

But in my personal opinion even though I feel that killing another human being is wrong regardless of the circumstances sometimes it is a necessary evil.

As for abortion think about it like this. Would it really be right to force a woman to have a baby if her body had complications and there was a chance that she herself could die in the birthing process? Wouldn't that be like murder too?



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28 Sep 2018, 5:02 pm

I think it's up to the individual and what they can live with.
Personally, I couldn't live with the idea of aborting a child because it wasn't perfect, but that's just me.
If someone decides to abort an autistic child, that is their decision to make and shouldn't be anyone else's business, really.
I don't see why this issue is taken so personally by people who aren't even the ones making the decision.


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28 Sep 2018, 5:03 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:

Having a child with special needs is a lifetime commitment because your child will never be able to grow up and move out and take care of themselves. And as a parent how would you feel about yourself if you got too elderly to take care of them or you passed away and there was nobody else to take care of your special needs child for you?

Being able to overcome that and take care of your special needs child is wonderful and admirable but I personally would never hold it against parents who decided to have an abortion for that reason



“Special needs” is an incredibly broad term which covers everything from dyslexia to severe mental retardation. Saying that a special needs child is ALWAYS a lifetime commitment is flat out wrong.



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28 Sep 2018, 5:16 pm

Raleigh wrote:
I think it's up to the individual and what they can live with.
Personally, I couldn't live with the idea of aborting a child because it wasn't perfect, but that's just me.
If someone decides to abort an autistic child, that is their decision to make and shouldn't be anyone else's business, really.
I don't see why this issue is taken so personally by people who aren't even the ones making the decision.


^This. I feel the same way because I could never abort a child just for having a disability, but if somebody else felt that they had to it really shouldn't be anybody else's business.

And I'm sorry if I used the term "special needs" the wrong way. I am a special needs child myself and I will never be capable of living on my own but I know there are ones who can. I was talking more about the ones who can't.



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28 Sep 2018, 5:21 pm

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As for abortion think about it like this. Would it really be right to force a woman to have a baby if her body had complications and there was a chance that she herself could die in the birthing process? Wouldn't that be like murder too?


When the woman's life is in danger I think then to should be up to her. Because both lives matter.
But that isn't an abortion, typically what they have to do to keep the woman from dying results in the death of the child, it isn't a purposeful murder.

The vast majority of abortions do not take place because the woman's life was in danger, and I assure you most woman who have lost their child in that situation do not want to be placed in the same group either.


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