Anyone else had to threaten suicide to get pets?

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11 Jan 2019, 1:29 pm

I used to try to prevent suicides, but now I'd rather redirect resources to better prospects. If you are abusing everyone's trust by making threats to get your way, I hope you get your bluff called. I'd be more charitable about pets if their food was not killing nature now. All the wild animals on earth are only a small fraction of the domestic population. I had a friend who is feeding a dog on resources that would have saved a whole family of vegans, and that's his only remaining purpose in life.



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11 Jan 2019, 1:44 pm

Just move to a place that allows pets.


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11 Jan 2019, 1:52 pm

MagicMeerkat wrote:
Just move to a place that allows pets.
That's easier said than done. In the UK, Council Housing tends to have strict rules on what the tenants can and cannot do. I know someone who was booted out because he let his girlfriend move in with him without first getting approval from the council.

Then again, I also know some people who complain that the chavs have the run of the housing complex and get away with just about every possible petty crime on the books.



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12 Jan 2019, 12:02 am

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I don't know what country you live in, but in the US, if you can get a doctor's note saying that you'd benefit from an emotional support animal, your landlord could not legally prevent you from owning one, regardless of the rules on pets. He would also not be allowed to evict you for adopting one, thanks to some act - equal housing, I think? An ESA is different from a service animal, in case you're not familiar with the term. They're more or less pets, not specially trained or anything. They're just more important than a pet would be to an average person.


In the United States, the Fair Housing Act protects disabled tenants' rights in housing with Emotional Support Animals, Service Dogs in Training, and Service Dogs. The tenant must request reasonable accommodation, provide a doctor's letter verifying a disability and disability-related need for the animal, and be approved before bringing the animal on the premises. If the landlord falls under the Fair Housing Act, then the landlord cannot deny the animal unless they can prove that it would be an undue administrative or financial burden, or the animal is dangerous, destructive, or not under control. Again if the landlord falls under the Fair Housing Act, they cannot apply pet restrictions or pet fees to the animal, except for charges for damages caused by the animal.


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12 Jan 2019, 1:39 am

Anyone who threatens suicide for any reason should receive proper support immediately instead of being given their way.
The context of it is not really worth mentioning.
I think the title of this topic is stupid because it's a unconstructive way of dealing with mental illness.

The person who does these kinds of things is extremely mentally unstable and even if they only get what they want with no support, the origin of this behavior would be untouched which would be bad for them; it would also reward this behavior so they might repeat it in the future, which is bad for the recipient of this mental abuse.
At the same time, psychological support includes finding options to solve these kinds of problems which the person themselves is obviously unable to recognize realistically at that point.

Of course, no one can be forced to do that but if I was the landlord first thing when I hear the news I'd do is I would call the regional crisis hotline and tell them that my tenent is suicial, that they are blackmailing me, and that I need assistence.



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12 Jan 2019, 3:53 am

In the US pets may not be allowed by most landlords but emotional support animals are. They are NOT considered pets & are legaly allowed in most places & situations where pets are not. In order for an animal to be considered an emotional support one; the person has to have some kind of disability & the animal has to provide some function or service that can help with any disability that the person may have & that can include providing emotional support.. Being on the spectrum &/or having comorbid conditions are considered disabilities so you need to be diagnosed with something & probably have a doc or psych sign off. I'm not sure exactly what the process is to get an animal considered an emotional support one thou.


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12 Jan 2019, 11:13 pm

nick007 wrote:
In the US pets may not be allowed by most landlords but emotional support animals are. They are NOT considered pets & are legaly allowed in most places & situations where pets are not. In order for an animal to be considered an emotional support one; the person has to have some kind of disability & the animal has to provide some function or service that can help with any disability that the person may have & that can include providing emotional support.. Being on the spectrum &/or having comorbid conditions are considered disabilities so you need to be diagnosed with something & probably have a doc or psych sign off. I'm not sure exactly what the process is to get an animal considered an emotional support one thou.


This is a touch hard to pull apart, but you are getting ESA and service dogs mixed up a bit here.
ESA's need no specific training and only have housing rights, you need a doc to sign off.


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23 Jan 2019, 8:36 am

Threatening suicide what only get you thrown into a mental hospital.


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23 Jan 2019, 3:55 pm

Threatening suicide to get what you want is pure manipulation and if the person is so suicidal if they don't get what they want, they should be hospitalized immediately. Being suicidal is a serious thing. I think any suicide threat should be taken seriously even if you think the person is just being manipulative. If it's a cry for help, you have helped them out, if they were just doing it for attention, well you have also taught them a valuable lesson. It's a win win.


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23 Jan 2019, 4:06 pm

Anyone else sick of people who threaten suicide when things don't go their way?



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23 Jan 2019, 4:41 pm

Fnord wrote:
Anyone else sick of people who threaten suicide when things don't go their way?


It's pretty manipulative.


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23 Jan 2019, 4:57 pm

One of our relatives just offered us a puppy but this apartment building charges a 300 dollar pet deposit, but someone told us it was payable by installments. This is a building for the elderly and disabled so I'm sure the animals help the people here.

One of my uncle's when he moved in with his girlfriend wanted to bring his dog but they didn't allow animals, he was going to try to declare her an emotional support dog but instead he gave her to his brother who had unfixed male dogs and she ended up having 9 puppies and now they are trying to give them away... Hence the puppy offer lol.

Does anyone here want a jack Russel mixed with a shiz tu puppy lol.


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23 Jan 2019, 5:53 pm

No. That's pathetic. Be grateful you even have your own apartment. Not everyone is that fortunate.



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24 Jan 2019, 1:35 am

Slightly off topic but how do you go about getting an animal classified as an emotional support animal :?: I know you need to see a doc but is there a specif form they need to fill out & if so where do you get it :?: Or do they just need to write a note :?:


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24 Jan 2019, 1:13 pm

nick007 wrote:
Slightly off topic but how do you go about getting an animal classified as an emotional support animal :?: I know you need to see a doc but is there a specif form they need to fill out & if so where do you get it :?: Or do they just need to write a note :?:

It depends on what accommodations you need for the Emotional Support Animal. Do you need accommodations to live in "no pet" housing or housing with pet restrictions or pet fees? Do you need accommodations to bring your animal to work? Do you need to fly with the animal? The type of accommodation would determine which law you need to follow.

If you need accommodation in housing, you need to request reasonable accommodation and provide a doctor's letter verifying a disability and a disability-related need for the animal. Some landlords have a form that they prefer but they cannot require it. See the Fair Housing Act for more information on your rights and responsibilities.

If you need accommodation in the workplace, you need to request reasonable accommodation, provide a doctor's letter verifying a disability and a disability-related need for the animal, and provide proof that the animal is trained to behave appropriately in a public setting. See title I of the Americans with Disabilities Act for more information on your rights and responsibilities and contact askJAN with any questions.

If you need accommodation for air travel or at the destination you are flying to, you need to give 48+ hour notice, and provide a letter less than one year old from your treating licensed mental health professional, verifying a mental or emotional disability recognized in the DSM and a disability-related need for the animal. Emotional Support Animals are required by law to be trained, just like Service Animals, to behave appropriately in public settings in order to fly in the cabin of an airplane. See the Air Carrier Access Act for more information on your rights and responsibilities.

If you do not need any of these accommodations, then there is also no need to designate your animal as an Emotional Support Animal because they have no other protections under federal laws. See your state law for more information on additional protections and your rights and responsibilities.


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24 Jan 2019, 1:48 pm

nick007 wrote:
Slightly off topic but how do you go about getting an animal classified as an emotional support animal :?: I know you need to see a doc but is there a specif form they need to fill out & if so where do you get it :?: Or do they just need to write a note :?:


Basically just have your therapist or general doctor write a doctors note for it, signing off on you needing the animal. It's not complicated. Perhaps to easy.


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