Hope for aspergers? The neorotypical site and heartless aspe

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30 May 2019, 10:43 am

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She didn't need to write a hate site on Asperger's people though. She could have been less insensitive and more empathetic about both parties, rather than making all Aspies look like psychopaths. In fact most of what she said doesn't even describe Aspies, but it does describe psychopaths.

I'm in a relationship with an NT man, and we get along great. My ADHD traits seem to be more interfering than my Aspie traits, but neither affect how I empathise. He says I am kind, caring, loving, loyal and selfless. His ex-wife was an NT but she was heartless, full of anger, was selfish, lied to him, and cheated on him.

It's just sites like that are really offensive to me, and is why I don't like telling anyone that I have Asperger's. It makes me ashamed of it, even though what she's saying is BS, it still gives sensitive people like me a bad image of myself.


Don't get me wrong - I'm not defending that site in any way, shape or form. It's very hateful and reduces all Aspies to a single stereotype, neither is appropriate nor helpful. Her views are selfish and she's using that site to absolve herself of any responsibility for a bad relationship by blaming those people for it. Anytime someone blames a whole group of people for problems, it is generally untrue and demeaning to whomever is a member of that particular group.

My only point was that relationships between an ASD and a NT are difficult because often we don't speak the same relationship language. It's a special circumstance that requires patience, understanding, and extra effort from BOTH parties. Too many people (including the author of that site and several posters on this site) want to place all of the blame on the other individual.



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30 May 2019, 11:20 am

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I think some neurotypical people can certainly misinterpret autistic people as acting in those ways. When we communicate it is not just what we say and how we say it that influences how someone understands it, but their preconceptions and I think that sometimes leads to some neurotypical people (wrongly) ascribing certain motivations to behaviour or things people say that are at total odds with an autistic person's intentions or perceptions. They don't understand us as much as we sometimes don't understand them (something known as the 'double empathy' problem.) Add to that, some people might already harbour a loads of misconceptions about autistic people (such as that we lack empathy) and that can also fuel negative ways that they misinterpret us.

I think there's a good example here (which is looking at communication gone awry in the workplace) https://theaspergian.com/2019/01/05/aspergers-and-employers-case-study/

If the misunderstanding continues, sometimes people just double down on their judgement without considering another explanation (i.e. if your partners perception of a situation is different from yours, insisting they must be lying or trying to gaslight you-and failing to consider that their perception might actually be an honest one). And when people have had relationships go wrong with people, it makes them feel better to feel they can entirely blame the other party, and reassure themselves it's not their fault.

Thank you that seems spot on. So what is the answer then, better communication/ making others aware of the aspergers and difficulties?



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30 May 2019, 11:24 am

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There are books you can read by Aspies that have figured out what works for their relationships.

Aspies in successful relationships are often too busy to spend a lot of time on websites.

Thanks for replying. Hopefully i will get to that stage was just looking for some reassurance as its all new to me at the moment.
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30 May 2019, 11:31 am

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If it helps. . . I am a neurotypical (whatever that is) woman who fell into a strong friendship with an aspie several,years ago. . . . . I stumbled on those sites too, and immediately saw how biased, angry and bitter they were. My friend and I have had many problems misunderstanding each other, and he has hurt me many times, as I am sure I have hurt him. On both sides unintentionally. . . . . .. . .i have always come to this site to get my help and advice. . . . . .even tho sometimes I have not heard what I “wanted” I recognise that I certainly didn’t want those “other sites”biased and critical view. I wanted to understand Aspergers and recognise how and where I might be making things difficult. . . . . not start a war.. . . . . . .


Thank you for your reply. Its nice to know that there are people like yourself out there.



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30 May 2019, 11:43 am

Here's a great video of an Aspie girl and her NT boyfriend discussing their relationship and how it works for them:



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30 May 2019, 6:12 pm

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Here's a great video of an Aspie girl and her NT boyfriend discussing their relationship and how it works for them:


Thank you will have a look



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31 May 2019, 12:30 am

Jesus, I didn't know this existed. How horrible. Reading it makes me feel like I'm a terrible person just for existing and daring to have autism! I know I'm a kind and empathetic person, all my therapists have told me so. I hate the myth that we lack empathy; it makes us sound like sociopaths.


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31 May 2019, 4:15 am

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Jesus, I didn't know this existed. How horrible. Reading it makes me feel like I'm a terrible person just for existing and daring to have autism! I know I'm a kind and empathetic person, all my therapists have told me so. I hate the myth that we lack empathy; it makes us sound like sociopaths.


I know, something needs to be done. I'd love to give the creater of that site a piece of my mind. Why should she still be allowed to even have that filfth on the internet like that?


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31 May 2019, 6:32 am

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It did deplete me a little reading these sites portrails, and left me a little hopeless, so im looking for some reassurance really that these sites are not a true reflection of aspergers.

The sites are sh*t of dirty minded people and you shouldn't take them to seriousely. But Aspergers is indeed a problem once it comes to social interaction. There is a small chance to get rid of Asperger's. But first of all you shouldn't feel bad about yourself because it wasn't ever your fault nor choice of having an Asperger's syndrome.
The way out isn't as easy but all people are different. You have to allow yourself being emotional an to feel towards others and you have to learn to read other people's intentions and emotions. If it's up to me I'm always subconsciousely stopping any feelings and it's not possible to feel the way of others as long as you don't feel anything. I thing the Asperge's syndrome may result from being emotional or physical hurt as a small child when the brain is still developing. It's kind of of an emotional self-protection.

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I always wonder if Aspies are so heartless and lacking in empathy, why is it always the Aspie kids who get bullied at school? :roll: If NT's are so empathetic why don't they leave them alone and accept they're different?

It's ape behaviour. Some people want to become better liked once they are bullying the ones who aren't well liked by others. NT women are totally into most dominant guys. That's why some people try to appear higher within the ape hierarchy of NTs by bullying the ones who aren't well liked and show a low self-esteem.

I had a look at the video above. The woman has clearly an Asperger's syndrome beside of her self destructing traits which seem to be the result of her desperation. The guy is NT. For getting the women right you have to look into her eyes. Most NTs wouldn't get the women emotionally because her body language is cold and uneffected.


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31 May 2019, 7:27 am

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Jesus, I didn't know this existed. How horrible. Reading it makes me feel like I'm a terrible person just for existing and daring to have autism! I know I'm a kind and empathetic person, all my therapists have told me so. I hate the myth that we lack empathy; it makes us sound like sociopaths.

Im exactly the same. I mean no harm to anyone. Problem is it can really dampen the spirit of newly aware or diagnosed aspies who are looking to work with it and get on with life.



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31 May 2019, 7:29 am

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It's ape behaviour. Some people want to become better liked once they are bullying the ones who aren't well liked by others. NT women are totally into most dominant guys. That's why some people try to appear higher within the ape hierarchy of NTs by bullying the ones who aren't well liked and show a low self-esteem.


If people bully to become better liked, or make themselves feel better about themselves, then that is selfish of them. They don't care how the victim is feeling, as long as THEY are happy.
I hate hurting people's feelings, and I have never been a bully. If a child at school was a bit different (I've met a few; one with epilepsy, one with only one arm, etc), I never bullied them or joined in any bully groups. I felt a little worried about them at first, because sometimes people with a deformity or disability can seem ''scary'' to a child, but I never showed that I was worried, because I knew it could make them feel insecure about themselves, and I didn't want to be responsible for that. So instead I went home and played a make-believe game in my room making me the person who I was a little afraid of, then trying to live their life in my game. For example, if I was pretending to be the girl with one arm, I kept one of my arms inside my shirt and tried doing activities with the other, even things like going to the toilet. Just so I could put myself in that person's shoes and see what it must be like to live with their condition. After that, I wasn't as afraid and I understood them more. I wasn't very good at just going up to them and asking to be their friend, but at least I wouldn't stare or make fun of them, because I taught myself what it must be like to be in their shoes.

It's a shame not everyone does this method to try to understand people who are different. It's a shame so many people are closed-minded and think that everybody has to be the same. I thought up that method, but yet I'm supposed to lack empathy....??


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31 May 2019, 7:32 am

Im autistic and i was in a relationship with a nt who was abusive, insensitive,nasty and raped me


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31 May 2019, 7:59 am

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Here's a great video of an Aspie girl and her NT boyfriend discussing their relationship and how it works for them:



Dude looks a bit like someone from Metallica.


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31 May 2019, 8:01 am

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Sam64 wrote:
Here's a great video of an Aspie girl and her NT boyfriend discussing their relationship and how it works for them:



Dude looks a bit like someone from Metallica.


The girl looks like a Barbie doll.


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31 May 2019, 8:04 am

StarTrekker wrote:
Jesus, I didn't know this existed. How horrible. Reading it makes me feel like I'm a terrible person just for existing and daring to have autism! I know I'm a kind and empathetic person, all my therapists have told me so. I hate the myth that we lack empathy; it makes us sound like sociopaths.


We have empathy we show it in other ways. An emotionless face doesn't mean were not sad inside. During my nans funeral i confidently volunteered to be one of the casket carriers didn't cry just did what i needed to do. If anything i actually found it interesting how much the coffin weighed. I helped because i wanted to show i cared. Some people would see my lack of sadness as non empathetic.


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31 May 2019, 8:07 am

Don't you realize those are idiot sites?

Don't you realize those on those sites are talking out of their butts?

Don't you realize that people's opinions, frequently, are like buttholes---everybody has one?

Don't let those websites dictate how you should feel about yourself.