Neurotypicals and autistics: The same species in name only

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13 Jun 2019, 3:46 am

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I very often feel that those of us in the autism spectrum are really essentially a completely different species from neurotypicals, and that aside from human biology we are completely different and can never understand one another, no matter how hard we try.


We have been referred to as Vulcans due to our preference in embracing our intellect rather than our emotions.
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13 Jun 2019, 4:00 am

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There used to be a page on uncyclopedia called "Homo Spergensis", the species name for aspies. :) It was hilarious and so true. Too bad it's gone now. But anyway many people probably feel like we're a different species.

The page you mentioned ain't gone. Here ya go.


I am offended by that piece of garbage.


You are entitled.

It is a bit iffy, but I am easy-going when it comes to humour.
Not particularly comfortable with the idea of NTs making we Auties the butt of their jokes.
Though I have absolutely no trouble making fun of them. :mrgreen:

I wouldn't be surprised if a naughty autie had a hand in the "Spergers" entry. :mrgreen:



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13 Jun 2019, 7:08 am

Here's the problem with us vs them. 99% of the population is "NT" so one can't really determine how a large demographic of people on the spectrum would operate collectively, when it comes to NTs do this and that and we don't.

How do you know what people on the spectrum as a whole do or don't do vs NTs? How many people on the spectrum do you actually know of or have been around in comparison to the number of NTs you know of and have been around?



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13 Jun 2019, 6:29 pm

Joe90 wrote:
Glflegolas wrote:
y-pod wrote:
There used to be a page on uncyclopedia called "Homo Spergensis", the species name for aspies. :) It was hilarious and so true. Too bad it's gone now. But anyway many people probably feel like we're a different species.

The page you mentioned ain't gone. Here ya go.


I am offended by that piece of garbage.


I think parts of it are hilarious.



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13 Jun 2019, 9:28 pm

SyphonFilter wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
Glflegolas wrote:
y-pod wrote:
There used to be a page on uncyclopedia called "Homo Spergensis", the species name for aspies. :) It was hilarious and so true. Too bad it's gone now. But anyway many people probably feel like we're a different species.

The page you mentioned ain't gone. Here ya go.


I am offended by that piece of garbage.


I think parts of it are hilarious.


Agreed.



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13 Jun 2019, 9:55 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Its cute.

Educational too!

I didn't know that Hans Asperger was...an Aus-STRAL-ian!

Actually... I did know that.

Australia is that country in the Alps that is right next door to...uh....to SWEDEN!! ! ! !

There is Swedish Alps, and then there is the Australian Alps. And theyre both famous for skiing. And for kangaroos! :D

Hans Asperger was Aus-TRI-an not Australian. Not that the page should be taken as "educational", but it's a strange bit to get wrong after getting the name right.

Also, the counterpart to that page is pretty amusing too. https://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/Neurotypical_syndrome



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13 Jun 2019, 10:46 pm

Exuvian wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Its cute.

Educational too!

I didn't know that Hans Asperger was...an Aus-STRAL-ian!

Actually... I did know that.

Australia is that country in the Alps that is right next door to...uh....to SWEDEN!! ! ! !

There is Swedish Alps, and then there is the Australian Alps. And theyre both famous for skiing. And for kangaroos! :D

Hans Asperger was Aus-TRI-an not Australian. Not that the page should be taken as "educational", but it's a strange bit to get wrong after getting the name right.

Also, the counterpart to that page is pretty amusing too. https://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/Neurotypical_syndrome


Erm.
I borked at this also, at first.
But remember the warnings of the site.
Something about the information being deliberately and humorously misleading?
It is a satirical/comical website.
It is explicitly NOT meant to be taken seriously. :wink:



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14 Jun 2019, 1:12 am

Mapofsteel wrote:
I very often feel that those of us in the autism spectrum are really essentially a completely different species from neurotypicals, and that aside from human biology we are completely different and can never understand one another, no matter how hard we try.


My NT friend and I can have long conversations about people who don't understand even the most obvious cross-species communication. If you send a dog to get help, it will attract attention, and then invite following by checking over its shoulder while running as fast as someone is willing to chase, but no faster. We have both enjoyed life with dogs immensely by noticing and encouraging their intelligence, instead of just trying for obedience. Mine was so well behaved that I took him everywhere except food stores, where he waited outside, and was never challenged to get a leash. I didn't have to say a word - he knew an appropriate distance.

Koko the Gorilla was taught sign language, and lived in a lab. She got a pet kitten she loved and named "All Ball." Then, after about six months, the humans came back one morning and found the sink torn from the wall. "What happened?" they signed.
"All Ball did it" replied Koko.



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14 Jun 2019, 1:31 am

Exuvian wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Its cute.

Educational too!

I didn't know that Hans Asperger was...an Aus-STRAL-ian!

Actually... I did know that.

Australia is that country in the Alps that is right next door to...uh....to SWEDEN!! ! ! !

There is Swedish Alps, and then there is the Australian Alps. And theyre both famous for skiing. And for kangaroos! :D

Hans Asperger was Aus-TRI-an not Australian. Not that the page should be taken as "educational", but it's a strange bit to get wrong after getting the name right.

Also, the counterpart to that page is pretty amusing too. https://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/Neurotypical_syndrome


Umm.... it was a joke.

And also: Han Aspergers was a psychiatrist, and not a "primatologist". Calling the Austrian psychiatrist "an Australian primatologist" shoulda been a tipoff to readers (like you and Joe90) that the piece is a put on. :lol:



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14 Jun 2019, 4:06 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
Glflegolas wrote:
y-pod wrote:
There used to be a page on uncyclopedia called "Homo Spergensis", the species name for aspies. :) It was hilarious and so true. Too bad it's gone now. But anyway many people probably feel like we're a different species.

The page you mentioned ain't gone. Here ya go.


I am offended by that piece of garbage.


Why?


Just makes Asperger's feel more isolating than it really is.

Unless it's a joke?


If you read it it's kinda obvious that it's a joke.


Well, normally I don't take things seriously, but because I am very sensitive about my ASD, it doesn't take much for me to feel singled out when all I want is to feel like a normal human being.

It's a bit like if someone makes a joke about Indian people or black people, it is deemed as offensive and racist, even if it's a harmless joke not to be taken seriously.


I assumed (rightly, or wrongly) that the guy who wrote it (maybe because his article had the strong vibe of insider first hand experience) was himself an aspie/autistic. If he is ASD then it would be like Blacks comics poking fun at Blacks. Fine. If I am wrong, and he is an NT, then...well he does talk about aspies as being brainy, and so forth, so even if he were NT he is not being completely derogatory.


Agreed.



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14 Jun 2019, 6:33 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Exuvian wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Its cute.

Educational too!

I didn't know that Hans Asperger was...an Aus-STRAL-ian!

Actually... I did know that.

Australia is that country in the Alps that is right next door to...uh....to SWEDEN!! ! ! !

There is Swedish Alps, and then there is the Australian Alps. And theyre both famous for skiing. And for kangaroos! :D

Hans Asperger was Aus-TRI-an not Australian. Not that the page should be taken as "educational", but it's a strange bit to get wrong after getting the name right.

Also, the counterpart to that page is pretty amusing too. https://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/Neurotypical_syndrome


Umm.... it was a joke.

And also: Han Aspergers was a psychiatrist, and not a "primatologist". Calling the Austrian psychiatrist "an Australian primatologist" shoulda been a tipoff to readers (like you and Joe90) that the piece is a put on. :lol:

I understand it's not to be taken seriously, as I already said. I didn't realize you were joking at first (even though it's painfully obvious now), so I wanted to correct it. :doh:



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14 Jun 2019, 8:52 am

Mapofsteel wrote:
Neurotypicals And Autistics: The Same Species In Name Only. I very often feel that those of us in the autism spectrum are really essentially a completely different species from neurotypicals, and that aside from human biology we are completely different and can never understand one another, no matter how hard we try.
Thank you for sharing your opinion.

Neurotypicals and autistics are the same species. This is proven by the fact that both can be produced by the same human parents -- neurotypicals and autistics can be siblings, even twins.


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14 Jun 2019, 9:02 am

That's right. There are cases of identical twins where one is neurotypical and the other is autistic. I remember one such pair by the name of Steve and Stan. Steve was a student in my special needs class.



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14 Jun 2019, 9:11 am

Fnord wrote:
Mapofsteel wrote:
Neurotypicals And Autistics: The Same Species In Name Only. I very often feel that those of us in the autism spectrum are really essentially a completely different species from neurotypicals, and that aside from human biology we are completely different and can never understand one another, no matter how hard we try.
Thank you for sharing your opinion.

Neurotypicals and autistics are the same species. This is proven by the fact that both can be produced by the same human parents -- neurotypicals and autistics can be siblings, even twins.


Thank you for sharing the obvious. :roll: :mrgreen:



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14 Jun 2019, 9:17 am

Pepe wrote:
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Neurotypicals And Autistics: The Same Species In Name Only. I very often feel that those of us in the autism spectrum are really essentially a completely different species from neurotypicals, and that aside from human biology we are completely different and can never understand one another, no matter how hard we try.
Thank you for sharing your opinion. Neurotypicals and autistics are the same species. This is proven by the fact that both can be produced by the same human parents -- neurotypicals and autistics can be siblings, even twins.
Thank you for sharing the obvious.
:shrug: Whatever. Sometimes the obvious facts need to be stated, if only to refute mere opinions.


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14 Jun 2019, 9:42 am

Are there aspies who don't understand NT or animals, but communicate readily with a wide selection of other AS types? I'm sure the original poster feels isolated, but we are wasting time on the analogy used.