Asperger and autism
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I was under the impression that the difference between Asperger's syndrome and HFA is that in Asperger's there is no speech delay while in HFA there is.
I find this discussion very interesting. When I was in elementary school, I was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome, but if I got re-assessed now, I would probably be diagnosed with level 2 autism, so it's kind of like I've crossed from one to the other.
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Thank you for that clarification. An Autistic person can have all types of intelligence and person's of high intelligence can have all types of Autism (including none). If there is a correlation to the social "Asperger's construct", I wouldn't be surprised. After there is a disproportionate number of left-handed USA Presidents. Limited statistic: "Of the last 15 presidents, seven (about 47%) have been left-handed. That might not mean much until you consider that the global percentage of left-handed people is about 10%."
Darn. I thought it was the number of letters, or the capitalization.
A person with Aspergers tends to do well in the verbal realm, and not-so-good in the visual-coordination realm.
A person with classic high-functioning autism does well in the visual-coordination realm, and not-so-good in the verbal realm.
Yes this is rather a good explanation, although I'm not sure what visual-coordination means.
I've always been verbal ever since I was able to string words together (which was at the average age), and my mum says I made eye contact from birth and learnt to smile at 5 weeks.
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A person with Aspergers tends to do well in the verbal realm, and not-so-good in the visual-coordination realm.
A person with classic high-functioning autism does well in the visual-coordination realm, and not-so-good in the verbal realm.
By that, I'm HFA. I've never had trouble with being particularly clumsy or anything (I have some trouble because I'm rubbish at estimating distances, sizes, etc. but I attribute that to dyscalculia), but I have selective mutism and don't learn or remember things as well when they're only explained verbally (I learn best by example).
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Interesting. I was just diagnosed (ASD), so don't know what I would have been previously. According to my parents I passed all milestones on time (walked early). At 5 mos my mom noticed I was highly focused and could play for hours stacking rings which I did very well for my age. My point is that I talked on time and today am highly verbal - I like to talk (a lot), HOWEVER my internal experience is that it's hard to talk, it's hard to understand people (verbally). My visual processing is "very superior". So by the generalization kraftie shared my instinct is I'd be HFA (even though I talked on time and talk a lot). [some cliché about a lamppost goes here, which means a secret, but a feel like even with my diagnosis there are still secrets]
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DSM-IV Diagnostic Criteria for Asperger's Disorder
Thanks for the link interesting
So really from what you`ve posted its just intellectual disability & no speech (meaning none or very little speech at all at 2-3 years ) is the only thing that seperates the two?
Yes
I find this discussion very interesting. When I was in elementary school, I was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome, but if I got re-assessed now, I would probably be diagnosed with level 2 autism, so it's kind of like I've crossed from one to the other.
High Functioning Autism is not a term in any diagnostic manual. It is autism without intellectual disability, it is only indirectly related to functioning in society.
Aspergers is a form of High Functioning Autism.
DSM 5 Diagnostic Criteria for 299.00 Autism Spectrum Disorder
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DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity.
A person with Aspergers tends to do well in the verbal realm, and not-so-good in the visual-coordination realm.
A person with classic high-functioning autism does well in the visual-coordination realm, and not-so-good in the verbal realm.
I'm much better verbally than non-verbally/(visuo-)spatially .
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Some call it a MILD for of autism (mild in the eyes of the beholder
) others describe it as a "between autistic and normal". Thar would probably be the best description, as it varies a lot from person to person. Some are great at masking difficulties and some are quite obvious. Some suffer more or less than others, but the point is, that there is a collection of very typical, common difficulties and traits - common enough to form a syndrome.
In my opinion ASD should be called ASC - Autism Spectrum Condition.
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Anyone got a link for the old dsm IV autism diagnostic list in the same format that AsPartOfMe posted the aspie one?
For comparison in the two
Or better still an official guide on distinguishing between them for assessors?
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For comparison in the two
Or better still an official guide on distinguishing between them for assessors?
DSM-IV Diagnostic Classifications
Autistic Disorder (299.00 DSM-IV)
The central features of Autistic Disorder are the presence of markedly abnormal or impaired development in social interaction and communication, and a markedly restricted repertoire of activity and interest. The manifestations of this disorder vary greatly depending on the developmental level and chronological age of the individual. Autistic Disorder is sometimes referred to as Early Infantile Autism, Childhood Autism, or Kanner’s Autism (page 66).
A. A total of six (or more) items from (1), (2), and (3), with at least two from (1), and one each from (2) and (3):
Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:
Marked impairment in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye to-eye gaze, facial expression, body postures, and gestures to regulate social interaction .
Failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level
A lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests, or achievements with other people (e.g., by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest)
Lack of social or emotional reciprocity
Qualitative impairments in communication as manifested by at least one of the following:
Delay in, or total lack of, the development of spoken language (not accompanied by an attempt to compensate through alternative modes of communication such as gestures or mime)
In individuals with adequate speech, marked impairment in the ability to initiate or sustain a conversation with others
Stereotyped and repetitive use of language or idiosyncratic language
Lack of varied, spontaneous make-believe play or social imitative play appropriate to developmental level
Restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests, and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:
Encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus
Apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals
Stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g., hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements)
Persistent preoccupation with parts of object
B. Delays or abnormal functioning in at least one of the following areas, with onset prior to age 3 years:
Social interaction
Language as used in social communication
Symbolic or imaginative play
C. The disturbance is not better accounted for by Rett’s Disorder or Childhood Disintegrative Disorder.
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DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity.
No 2 spectrumers are the same or have the exact same set of symptoms, and the symptoms you have don't define how high or low functioning you are. What defines your functioning level is how your symptoms affect your daily life.
For example my set of symptoms (as an adult) are very complex, and to other people I come across as a quirky NT, probably because I am sociable, make eye contact, can engage in conversation, can display correct tone of voice and facial expressions, and I can express my emotions like an NT. Even when I get panic attacks, highly anxious or bouts of depression, I can still function as in interact, go to work, do shopping, etc.
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