How would you deal with crippling depression?

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08 Mar 2020, 7:49 pm

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Furthermore, I consider the life of an autistic in general as a poor quality life. The main source of joy for NTs seems to be interacting with other people, whereas for us this is far less joyful. There seems to be no source of joy to replace this. <snip>

I have always gotten along better with machines than people, but I think that the joy of building a good one is comparable to parenthood. Joy comes from being totally focussed on something, and special interests can inspire that.

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08 Mar 2020, 7:57 pm

Dear_one wrote:
I have always gotten along better with machines than people, but I think that the joy of building a good one is comparable to parenthood. Joy comes from being totally focussed on something, and special interests can inspire that.

"Science is like sex - sure, there are some practical results, but that's not why we do it."
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Right now I am completely focused on a well paying job that I utterly hate, which now has serious artificial difficulties thrown into it. If I get to a point where I could focus on what I like and get an enjoyable job I might be much happier, but will still fall short of what's possible for NTs.Their lives can be much fuller I think. The practical need for money makes it hard to focus on our interests.



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08 Mar 2020, 8:27 pm

^^ I obtained much relief by learning how to live on less.



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08 Mar 2020, 8:37 pm

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I don't have the clinical version, where seemingly there's no source for it, but it can really happen regardless, can't it? It's remarkable, to go from watching a movie a day, to not being able to do 30 mins, after social rejection... makes little sense too, because I've felt loneliness per se for a decade, after a while it's just a norm, but then this can still happen if an event happens objectively... and, of course, due to the rest of one's life being empty, it's quite difficult to process this heavy weight, per se. To think I've had only one short, close relationship a decade ago and likely to never again at this rate... it's not like it's not possible to be alone after a while, but only if problems are absent (I dread the possibility of medical issues, which in old age seem inevitable, it's already difficult as it is if I don't have pain killers for headaches)... what's funny is that social rejection, per se, isn't an objective problem, certainly not on par with any personal issues... doubt many will read this, so I'll stop here...


Clinical Depression does not really exist. It is major depression disorder, (severity) (recurrent or single episode) (with or without psychotic features)
Where severity is mild, moderate or severe.

And, etiology doesn't matter.



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08 Mar 2020, 9:57 pm

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^^ I obtained much relief by learning how to live on less.


That's my plan eventually, to live frugally but with tranquility. I plan to tolerate miserable jobs until 40 at most, in order to have financial security for the rest of my life. If I tolerate misery for several more years I can have a much more comfortable life, having missed out on my prime years of course...



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10 Mar 2020, 11:02 am

Been around for 6 decades and suffered from chronic depression most of that time. I gradually found coping methods to help, including nice music, funny movies and TV shows, reading books, and other interests that can distract you from whatever is bothering you.

Sleep, exercise, and a better diet help too.

Also, several years ago I started taking mood-boosting supplements which have put me at an almost normal mood level. Among them are the B complex vitamins and vitamin D and C. You have to take higher doses than the docs recommend. These supplements have really helped me a lot--even more than the distraction therapy, although that's definitely a big help, too.


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12 Mar 2020, 11:30 am

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I highly recommend seeing a psychiatrist and trying medication/antidepressants. It literally saved my life. It took a few tries before they found the right one, but it is the only thing that makes my life bearable. It made a 180 degree difference for me.


I highly recommend staying with counsellors who can't prescribe. The drug companies are trying to stamp them out, but it is still the personal attention that counts. When antidepressants are tested against sugar pills, they win because the control group knows that nothing is expected of them. If the controls are given anything that makes them feel weird, that catalyses a change in thinking. However, prescribing antidepressants is a very try it and see proposition. I have only been physically attacked twice as an adult, and both times my assailant was on an experimental dosage. They can also be harder to quit than anything else I've heard of.

I've never been a big believer in talk therapy. Some people might think it helps, and it may for some, but not for me. Personally, I think it's just a way for the shrinks to capitalize on people's suffering. I have tried it many times and it's never done a bit of good, just wasted my time and money. The "therapists" that I have seen just listen to what you say and give out cliche advice, like "take a deep breath" to deal with issues like anxiety. This does absolutely zilch for me. Then they charge you an insane amount of money.
If you are in therapy or have been and it works for you, I say go for it. This is just my personal opinion and experience. Just because it didn't help me doesn't mean it won't help you. The same goes for medication. Just because it saved me doesn't mean it works for everyone. There is still much to learn about the brain.


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12 Mar 2020, 11:47 am

^^ I've never had to pay out of pocket for counselling. Their rates would be out of range for me without insurance. Actually, the Eliza program covered most of what most counsellors do, just less convincingly. I've gone to lots of leaderless groups where a dollar or two is the usual donation, and gotten some of the same process.
When you talk about your stuff to another person, it becomes more organized in your mind, and you get more perspective on it. If you are lucky, you might get some pertinent advice, but encouragement is usually sufficient.



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12 Mar 2020, 12:42 pm

The answer to the title of the post:

Me (personally):. Socially withdrawal, eating, doing nothing, sleep, counseling

Someone else:. Alcohol, drugs, felonies. Noise pollution ("talking"). Creative outlet. Ssri, maoi, support group



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12 Mar 2020, 12:58 pm

My bipolar disorder emerged in my teenage years, and depression was definitely the harder condition to beat. How does one do something about depression when depression robs you of the impetus to do anything about it?

What questor said is very important. Sleep, exercise, good diet, B-complex vitamins are all crucial. Lacking any one of them makes hard problems insurmountable.

I also successfully used meditation, for several years, to work on my mood swings. I would start with breathing exercises and then conceptualize the behavior I wanted to exhibit. For the manic phases, that meant staying calm, doing responsible things and working hard on what I was supposed to accomplish. Before the depressive phases, I imagined taking some of the impetus I was feeling at the moment and packaging it up, to be unpackaged later when depression took my impetus away, so I could keep doing things. It sounds cheesy and "woo", but it helped.

Eventually it wasn't enough, and I went on medication to even me out. I found that with the medication's help, the techniques and self-discipline I had cultivated in the years prior were vastly more effective. What had been "almost good enough" before the meds was nearly "overkill" with the meds. I no longer have to meditate every day, but still practice meditation now and then when I feel myself slipping up. It's just a useful way to do "emotion work" and shape my mind (and thus my habits and behavior) in deliberate ways.

Good luck :) I hope you find what you need!



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13 Mar 2020, 11:40 am

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^^ I've never had to pay out of pocket for counselling. Their rates would be out of range for me without insurance. Actually, the Eliza program covered most of what most counsellors do, just less convincingly. I've gone to lots of leaderless groups where a dollar or two is the usual donation, and gotten some of the same process.
When you talk about your stuff to another person, it becomes more organized in your mind, and you get more perspective on it. If you are lucky, you might get some pertinent advice, but encouragement is usually sufficient.

I'm glad you found something that helps you that you don't have to pay for. I had to pay a $50 copay for therapy with the insurance at my last job. Talking to someone else can help, but the cost caused additional stress. Some people with autism, like me, have a hard time verbalizing what they are thinking or feeling too sometimes, so we might not get as much out of therapy.


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