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05 Oct 2020, 12:48 pm

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Science was my favourite subject in school. I never knew it was legal not to teach science in school.


I dont see how it could be legal. Dont states, and also the Feds, mandate certain things be in he curriculum?



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05 Oct 2020, 12:59 pm

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Science was my favourite subject in school. I never knew it was legal not to teach science in school.


I dont see how it could be legal. Dont states, and also the Feds, mandate certain things be in he curriculum?


I'm in the UK so not savy to US school curriculum but I'm sure it is mandatory to teach science.



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06 Oct 2020, 6:01 am

A lot of people can't tell the difference between a doctor and an actor in a white coat. At least as many can't tell the difference between science and nonsense using technical terms. Richard Feynman discovered that a whole university in Brazil had reduced science to memorizing facts, with no comprehension of how they were connected required. If anyone asked a question about understanding the work, they would get jeered by the other students for slowing things down. They were officially being taught science, but they were learning acting instead.
There was a very successful stock fraud that should never have fooled anyone who passed a grade 11 science course I took, but very few of us ever applied it.



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06 Oct 2020, 7:44 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Nades wrote:
Science was my favourite subject in school. I never knew it was legal not to teach science in school.


I dont see how it could be legal. Dont states, and also the Feds, mandate certain things be in he curriculum?


In Kansas, there were laws on the books restricting the teaching of evolution due to religious reasons. They eventually got shot down, but the mentality of it still survives. In many schools, they will very briefly cover evolution and then spend a much longer time on religious versions of how we can to be. They tend to also push students that you have to be of their sect of religion if you want to be able to fit in and participate in outside activities.

By the way: I have been accused of being a wizard or warlock in my hometown, simple because of my career as a scientist. These comments come from residents who are super religious (and have never left the state in their lives). Hatred of science is a real thing there.



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06 Oct 2020, 11:28 am

I was homeschooled and IDK how you teach chemistry without blowing up the house, or the disection aspect of biology without making the house smell like formaldehyde.


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06 Oct 2020, 11:34 am

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I was homeschooled and IDK how you teach chemistry without blowing up the house, or the disection aspect of biology without making the house smell like formaldehyde.


The procedures for avoiding explosions are essentially the same in home, school, and industry.
If you were so inclined, you could do dissections of fresh specimens. Or, you could do them outside, or under an exhaust fan. It sounds as if your teacher lacked both science and imagination.



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06 Oct 2020, 11:38 am

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I was homeschooled and IDK how you teach chemistry without blowing up the house, or the disection aspect of biology without making the house smell like formaldehyde.

There would be limitations, but the theory could be taught and many practical experiments could also be performed and demonstrated. Kids used to have chemistry sets as toys, and most of them lived, though some of the things in the boxes would be illegal to supply now. I heard of one of them that contained radioactive materials.



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06 Oct 2020, 11:40 am

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I was homeschooled and IDK how you teach chemistry without blowing up the house, or the disection aspect of biology without making the house smell like formaldehyde.


The procedures for avoiding explosions are essentially the same in home, school, and industry.
If you were so inclined, you could do dissections of fresh specimens. Or, you could do them outside, or under an exhaust fan. It sounds as if your teacher lacked both science and imagination.


My teacher was my mom. She had lots of good ideas, but she was better at coming up with them than she was putting them into action. She did talk about going to the butcher shop to get things like cow's eyes and hearts. But I can't imagine her actually supervising me without passing out. She gets very easily grossed out and I was never allowed to watch those 90's gross-out cartoons because SHE found them digesting. And I was VERY bad at math so in her eyes I would never be able to do chemistry anyway. Physics she even admitted she wouldn't know how to teach. All the homeschooling co-ops my mom tried were just boys that already knew each other wanted nothing to do with a girl. And the main thing was religion....and I didn't like other kids because all the bullying in public school had taught me that another child was automatically a potential bully.


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06 Oct 2020, 11:51 am

I should have said "accurate imagination." Science helps reduce wild speculation, and lets you get things right the first time.
Anatomy is a small branch of biology. Dissection experience is not central to the field. You could even dissect flowers for useful lessons.



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06 Oct 2020, 12:50 pm

Dear_one wrote:
I should have said "accurate imagination." Science helps reduce wild speculation, and lets you get things right the first time.
Anatomy is a small branch of biology. Dissection experience is not central to the field. You could even dissect flowers for useful lessons.


I did dissect flowers...but lacked the proper tools to do so and just cut up dandelions. I think it would have been more exciting if I could have dissected a rose or a lily.


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06 Oct 2020, 7:07 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
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I was homeschooled and IDK how you teach chemistry without blowing up the house, or the disection aspect of biology without making the house smell like formaldehyde.

There would be limitations, but the theory could be taught and many practical experiments could also be performed and demonstrated. Kids used to have chemistry sets as toys, and most of them lived, though some of the things in the boxes would be illegal to supply now. I heard of one of them that contained radioactive materials.


Ahh, the Atomic Energy Chemistry Kit from the early 1950s. I still have my set, minus the radioactive materials, for a display. The radioactive materials were donated to a university for demonstrations with their radiological department. This was done legally, as I had to sign documents on the transfer. Mine had actual samples of radium, thorium and uranium. I also gifted them a radium painted pocket watch and a piece of uranium glass fiesta-ware.

You do not want to know what I learned from my other chemistry sets (back when I was still young)...



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06 Oct 2020, 7:13 pm

Dear_one wrote:
I should have said "accurate imagination." Science helps reduce wild speculation, and lets you get things right the first time.
Anatomy is a small branch of biology. Dissection experience is not central to the field. You could even dissect flowers for useful lessons.


When I was much younger, I had a creepy friend who would search the highway roads for roadkill. He would take them home and do dissections on the carcasses. He was wanting to became a forensic scientist or a toxicologist, so I guess he was training himself early for the dirty side of the work. He also learned taxonomy while doing this. I do not know what he ended up becoming as he moved far away before he graduated.



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06 Oct 2020, 7:26 pm

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I was homeschooled and IDK how you teach chemistry without blowing up the house, or the disection aspect of biology without making the house smell like formaldehyde.


The procedures for avoiding explosions are essentially the same in home, school, and industry.
If you were so inclined, you could do dissections of fresh specimens. Or, you could do them outside, or under an exhaust fan. It sounds as if your teacher lacked both science and imagination.


My teacher was my mom. She had lots of good ideas, but she was better at coming up with them than she was putting them into action. She did talk about going to the butcher shop to get things like cow's eyes and hearts. But I can't imagine her actually supervising me without passing out. She gets very easily grossed out and I was never allowed to watch those 90's gross-out cartoons because SHE found them digesting. And I was VERY bad at math so in her eyes I would never be able to do chemistry anyway. Physics she even admitted she wouldn't know how to teach. All the homeschooling co-ops my mom tried were just boys that already knew each other wanted nothing to do with a girl. And the main thing was religion....and I didn't like other kids because all the bullying in public school had taught me that another child was automatically a potential bully.


You likely can learn chemistry, but you do need the right teacher who can work with you on your math issues during this process. For example, I have successfully taught chemistry classes to students who were barely able to multiply or divide using a calculator. While not every teacher can reach every student, there is one out there that can help you. There are also wonderful free online tutorials for chemistry subjects if you still want to learn it in this pandemic era of isolation.



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07 Oct 2020, 4:19 pm

QuantumChemist wrote:
Dear_one wrote:
I should have said "accurate imagination." Science helps reduce wild speculation, and lets you get things right the first time.
Anatomy is a small branch of biology. Dissection experience is not central to the field. You could even dissect flowers for useful lessons.


When I was much younger, I had a creepy friend who would search the highway roads for roadkill. He would take them home and do dissections on the carcasses. He was wanting to became a forensic scientist or a toxicologist, so I guess he was training himself early for the dirty side of the work. He also learned taxonomy while doing this. I do not know what he ended up becoming as he moved far away before he graduated.


I used to bring home dead animals with the plan to dissect them. I wanted to be a vet, and was going to have too some day. I never had a problem with it if they were already dead. Plus, the places schools get their specimens from usually breed them just so they can be killed and dissected. They also sometimes will pump a dye through their veins while still alive so students can see them more easily. Not going to be like that in the real world. I also wanted to do taxidermy as a hobby (again, if it's not alive I don't have a problem with it). But my mother always said no.

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Dear_one wrote:
MagicMeerkat wrote:
I was homeschooled and IDK how you teach chemistry without blowing up the house, or the disection aspect of biology without making the house smell like formaldehyde.


The procedures for avoiding explosions are essentially the same in home, school, and industry.
If you were so inclined, you could do dissections of fresh specimens. Or, you could do them outside, or under an exhaust fan. It sounds as if your teacher lacked both science and imagination.


My teacher was my mom. She had lots of good ideas, but she was better at coming up with them than she was putting them into action. She did talk about going to the butcher shop to get things like cow's eyes and hearts. But I can't imagine her actually supervising me without passing out. She gets very easily grossed out and I was never allowed to watch those 90's gross-out cartoons because SHE found them digesting. And I was VERY bad at math so in her eyes I would never be able to do chemistry anyway. Physics she even admitted she wouldn't know how to teach. All the homeschooling co-ops my mom tried were just boys that already knew each other wanted nothing to do with a girl. And the main thing was religion....and I didn't like other kids because all the bullying in public school had taught me that another child was automatically a potential bully.


You likely can learn chemistry, but you do need the right teacher who can work with you on your math issues during this process. For example, I have successfully taught chemistry classes to students who were barely able to multiply or divide using a calculator. While not every teacher can reach every student, there is one out there that can help you. There are also wonderful free online tutorials for chemistry subjects if you still want to learn it in this pandemic era of isolation.


I did eventually get diagnosed with dyscalculia and found a REALLY good tutor who knew how to motivate me by using meerkats and animals...something my mother would never do because it "wouldn't be like that in a college classroom" She also wouldn't even let me count on my fingers, let alone use a calculator. When I was in third grade and my mother told me I might as well pack in the idea of being a vet when I grew up because I would never be able to handle the basic math classes in college undergrad, I gave up and quit trying at anything in school. I only went because you can't drop out in grade school. My mom tried every other trick in the book to motivate me but nothing worked. (I went to public school from kindergarten to 4th grade.)


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08 Oct 2020, 7:04 am

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naturalplastic wrote:
Nades wrote:
Science was my favourite subject in school. I never knew it was legal not to teach science in school.


I dont see how it could be legal. Dont states, and also the Feds, mandate certain things be in he curriculum?


In Kansas, there were laws on the books restricting the teaching of evolution due to religious reasons. They eventually got shot down, but the mentality of it still survives. In many schools, they will very briefly cover evolution and then spend a much longer time on religious versions of how we can to be. They tend to also push students that you have to be of their sect of religion if you want to be able to fit in and participate in outside activities.

By the way: I have been accused of being a wizard or warlock in my hometown, simple because of my career as a scientist. These comments come from residents who are super religious (and have never left the state in their lives). Hatred of science is a real thing there.


On the plus side, you're probably top banana in such a backwards place. People like that are almost to stupid to ever get into positions if power anymore.



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08 Oct 2020, 7:34 am

Nades wrote:
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Science was my favourite subject in school. I never knew it was legal not to teach science in school.


I dont see how it could be legal. Dont states, and also the Feds, mandate certain things be in he curriculum?


In Kansas, there were laws on the books restricting the teaching of evolution due to religious reasons. They eventually got shot down, but the mentality of it still survives. In many schools, they will very briefly cover evolution and then spend a much longer time on religious versions of how we can to be. They tend to also push students that you have to be of their sect of religion if you want to be able to fit in and participate in outside activities.

By the way: I have been accused of being a wizard or warlock in my hometown, simple because of my career as a scientist. These comments come from residents who are super religious (and have never left the state in their lives). Hatred of science is a real thing there.


On the plus side, you're probably top banana in such a backwards place. People like that are almost to stupid to ever get into positions if power anymore.


Sadly, that is not the case when it comes to power. There are so many of them like that there, they only promote their own up the ladder of power. It is one reason why I left Kansas. I still have to deal with it every time I visit there though.