Being Bullied by my Horrible Neighbour

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Aww thank you Jakki, that is very kind of you.

I never thought of asking who the PCSO's superior was.

I actually have met him at the police station, and he seemed very nice, and said that the antisocial lady visits every Thursday so we could meet in the same room; all three of us, BEFORE them two going to talk to the bully.

And here was me thinking people stick to their word. I haven't seen him since, and they are now playing the Covid card, as a reason why we all can't meet together. They say the room is tiny and only for two people, but the room I met him in was a large boardroom.

And he also said I must report every single incident of harassment (not practical; I'd be on the phone 24/7 but for a few days I did phone once a day and report several incidents). He also said I should provide more audios of their harassment.

But I sent him 12 audios and two videos, and now he's acting like he owes me money!

Similarly, the antisocial woman could not have been nicer when she first spoke on the phone. But last time I spoke to her, she shouted over me when I said I was scared to leave my flat because of the henchman waiting outside.

She was shouting that she is having to deal with "counter allegations". Any counter allegations are lies because a quiet clock radio is the loudest thing I have, apart from my blender than I use once every ten days. And I did three weeks of handy work in the summer (no more than an hour a day in the afternoon), which I was entitled to do.

The fact she said "counter allegations" meant that the bully had heard on the phone the allegations I'd made about her, so she had time to prepare. No-one has told me on the phone, what these counter allegations are. They say I will be told at the meeting.

So I have not been extended the same courtesy that my bully has, in being told in advance what the allegations are. This in itself, told me before they even visited her today, that this is not a level playing field.

They did actually want to meet me in my flat (after all, it would be so easy for them just to walk upstairs after talking to the bully), but like you say, the bully will hear everything, so I declined. Now they are acting like I am being difficult, and I don't know when I will get to meet them.

I thought about getting an advocate, like a support worker (I reckon the PCSO and antisocial lady will be more civil when they talk to me with someone else there), but just pinning those two down for a meeting is tricky enough, without adding more people.

I will try to find out who the PCSO's boss is though. Thanks for that.

lolololzz .. i recognize that situation when calling someone to do their job and they hardly even
meant what they are saying . Treating like they owe you money ...loolz ... Same situation here last year .. The local public interaction officer acts the same way last year. But i started to make records of when i called him . Incase i had to prove it to his Supervisor.

In my long experience renting (before getting married) I tend to avoid taking a lease in any property where I can hear my neighbors. But I understand this is not always possible or feasible.

I am not sure what the law are in the UK but in Australia we have body corporates who manage tenants on behalf of landlords in rental apartments.

In my experience they tend to work on a three strikes rule. They will take your grievances and warn your downstairs tenants. If the tenant continues to break the agreement over noise then when their lease comes up (I assume its every 12 months?) it will not be renewed.

Again I don't know what the law is like in the UK? it also depends on the diligence of the body corporate (if its an area where rental demand is low then they might be reluctant to go beyond a warning) and also how rental history is collected (In Australia there is an electronic database where rental agencies can screen applicants past history e.g. property damage, breaching noise abatement rules or breaking lease agreements).

With noise it's tricky, you may need to get other neighbors in the apartment to also complain about these tenants as that would add some clout. But recordings may also work. How are the body corporate rules re: noise? if your neighbour can hear you go to the bathroom I am worried they might counter-complain about you based on the lack of noise cancellation.

Have you tried speaking to someone at the citizens advice bureau? They are qualified in law and stuff.

Idk it might help.

You are 100% entitled to have a clock radio, use a blender and do some handiwork along with other normal everyday things. It's not like you're doing what my upstairs neighbour does, which is do cleaning such as vacuuming all hours of the day, move furniture around at least twice a day and hardly ever sits down or goes to sleep. She has her washing-machine on all the time, even though it is only her who lives there and it's not like she's doing a laundry service or anything. I think she's just one of those obsessive cleaning type of people who can't think of anything else to do with her time (she doesn't work). I do get really bothered by her constant noise, because she always seems to be banging about in the room above us, but we don't listen hard 24 hours a day and bully her or anything. I'd rather live below you any day! If you did live above us, we'd be your friends.

I'm wondering if this is council or private let.

Doesn't sound like a great place to live and there certainly is a problem with the level of noise that both parties are able to hear.

I live on the top floor of a three storey building and the only time My neighbour knocks on the ceiling is when I am actually making unreasonable noise (running on treadmill for example). Other than that there is no issue either way and neither of us are particularly quiet people.

I'm really struggling to understand how your neighbour can hear you typing and doing just normal life things.

Grass them up to the landlord too.

I imagine they would say contact the four agencies I have contacted already. But they might have another option I didn't know about, so thank you. I'm open to all offers.

It's a council rental, not privately rented. So they have their own governing bodies to contact. Out of the four bodies to contact ; police, anti-social, noise pollution and tenancy management, the latter three are all council departments.

Council tenancies don't run out either. So their "lease" would never be up, like in privately rented accommodation. Once you're in, you stay til you choose to move, die, or until you do something so bad they boot you out, but only after months or years of campaigning.

It's a council flat.

I have literally just got out of my friend's car and she said the same thing; How can they hear you typing?

I am in the process of adding the audios to a video, so I can add text information and put the video online. I am certain it will be a lot clearer then.

Incidentally, she lived beneath me for two and a half years before she started bullying me. So she could always hear me typing. The difference is, after I once did some handy work, she decided to start bullying me, so all the normal living sounds that most of us are able to ignore, she can't.

I would be your friend too Joe90!

PLEASE MOVE IN DOWNSTAIRS!

The Council own the flats. Yes I am trying to, thanks

I know this might not be an option for you but have you tried knocking on her door and speaking to her face to face?

Sometimes that's all it takes.

I had to do it with my next door neighbour who sang really loud at 2am every time he got drunk. I had to tackle him face to face in the end. He wasn't very nice to me at that moment in time because he was drunk and obviously having a nice time but he never did it again and peace was restored. We're on really good talking terms now.

Thanks

I have the feeling they deal with the likes of people similar to them all the time. Luckily because they're the local authority flats I imagine the butt whooping they can receive could cause considerable problems for them. I have no real idea how they deal with them behind closed doors though.

I am very glad it worked out for you. Yes, some people can be quite civil when approached.

But I asked her outside the front, why she was bullying me, and she called the police in front of me, saying I was harassing her! She told the police "I don't even know what flat she lives in, so why would I be bullying her?"

And yet she now strangely has "counter allegations" against me. I need to remember to tell the police that next time I speak to them, as they will still have that 999 call recorded. How can she have complaints about me in my flat if she doesn't know which flat I live in?!