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04 Aug 2007, 10:35 pm

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They are just people with mental disorders, much like you. To call them freaks wouldn't be fair at all...
For example, aren't "sociopaths" people with "Antisocial Personality Disorder"?
You're not going to get much sympathy here. I was bullied from 7th grade through high school.

If you are a bully, you need to stop making excuses for yourself and stop hurting other people. It really doesn't matter why you do it. There is no justification for it and if you do it, you are bad.

they are people just like you... and I only act like a bully in real life on impulsivenss... when I realize what I'm doing then I stop in the middle so no damage is done... but those with Antisocial PD don't feel remorse for anything so they keep doing it... how can you hate someone because they don't feel the same things the rest of us do?

I see all this neurodiversity bullhsit here, but when it comes down to other people with problems, you say they are just "bad". how hypocritical! it may suck for you and others occasionally, but most of it simply isn't their fault.



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05 Aug 2007, 8:25 am

I see what everyone is trying to say, but I have (as well as AS) got Tourette syndrome with AD/HD and OCD. I have never sworn at someone on purpose then passed it off as my 'condition'. As with these personality disorders, my TS can't be cured.


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05 Aug 2007, 8:36 am

Sociopaths and psychopaths don't have a neurological difference. Their problem is that they don't have a soul.



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05 Aug 2007, 8:46 am

psychotic wrote:
I see all this neurodiversity bullhsit here, but when it comes down to other people with problems, you say they are just "bad". how hypocritical! it may suck for you and others occasionally, but most of it simply isn't their fault.


I am sure you have the ability to realize that this is nonsense, don't you ?
As soon as you start to harm other people, physically or mentally, there can be no tolerance for other people's "problems". I have been a victim of bullying from elementary throughout school time and it has driven me several times close to suicide, when everyday is a torture and you don't see any way out.
Acceptance of neurodiversity has nothing to do with acceptance of torture.



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05 Aug 2007, 9:55 am

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I see all this neurodiversity bullhsit here, but when it comes down to other people with problems, you say they are just "bad". how hypocritical! it may suck for you and others occasionally, but most of it simply isn't their fault.


Hey, we're not hippos... Sorry just wanted to make some people laugh... :oops:


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05 Aug 2007, 10:15 am

My last boyfriend was a "borderline personality" type bully...He fit all the criteria..and all of his platonic friendships seem to fall into the pattern as well.
His bullying was verbal..instead of beating me, he had the decency to break the furniture and coffee cups instead...a real right gentleman he was :?
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(pardon me if i missed the point of this thread)
I seriously wouldn't suspect that ALL those kids who picked and picked on me all through elementary and jr. high to have some kind of mental disorders that made them do it.
There seems to be some sorta innate impulse among a certain (usually NT) type of person that makes them want to assert their power over the small, weak and different....the phrase "pecking order" comes to mind. It often comes with a pack mentality...at least that is what I experienced repeatedly. I am mainly referring to the kind of stuff that happened when i was little.



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05 Aug 2007, 3:09 pm

Even if a bully is psychologicaly disordered, he still needs to be kept within a monitored enviroment during all times he is around other people, for his own good and ours. If you lump them together with us as being "neuro-diverse" there will be even more social difficulties for us. Fights that would result would be, to borrow an X-men reference, like Wolverine versus Sabretooth, freak vs. freak. And it's all fun and games until the mayor's son looses an eye. I have Tourette Syndrome as well, and as such I am personaly different, not morally deviant.



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05 Aug 2007, 10:24 pm

Here is a site on abuse by narcissistic bullies.

http://www.narcissisticabuse.com/

Here is a quote from the page on empathy.

http://www.narcissisticabuse.com/empathy.html

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You are not a person to a narcissist. Therefore you will never experience empathy from them.



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05 Aug 2007, 10:53 pm

psychotic wrote:
see all this neurodiversity bullhsit here, but when it comes down to other people with problems, you say they are just "bad". how hypocritical! it may suck for you and others occasionally, but most of it simply isn't their fault.
Serial murderers are generally socio-paths. Does that mean we should all sit around respecting their diversity...or should we protect innocent society from them?

If you are a bully, innocent people need to be protected from you, no matter how guilty you fell afterward



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05 Aug 2007, 11:46 pm

Litguy wrote:
psychotic wrote:
see all this neurodiversity bullhsit here, but when it comes down to other people with problems, you say they are just "bad". how hypocritical! it may suck for you and others occasionally, but most of it simply isn't their fault.
Serial murderers are generally socio-paths. Does that mean we should all sit around respecting their diversity...or should we protect innocent society from them?

If you are a bully, innocent people need to be protected from you, no matter how guilty you fell afterward

I'm not suggesting that you let dangerous people walk on the street, I'm just saying you should feel bad for the people who can't control themselves and have to be locked up to protect the rest of the people...



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05 Aug 2007, 11:52 pm

I think the very fact that Psychotic admits to some bullying behavior likely means he is the mild end of the bully spectrum. He may also
be overly critical to himself. Which means what he is labeling bullying behavior in himself might not be characterised that way by most people.



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06 Aug 2007, 1:52 am

My ex-husband was a narcissistic bully, and I wouldn't be surprised if he has NPD as he has most of the characteristics of that disorder. The quote about the victim not being a person is exactly how my ex thought, that I was nothing more than chattle. There were times when I thought I was the "crazy" one, but I now know that I wasn't. In a way, I'm just extremely lucky I got out alive, and before the abuse turned physical.


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06 Aug 2007, 8:23 am

TheMachine1 wrote:
I think the very fact that Psychotic admits to some bullying behavior likely means he is the mild end of the bully spectrum. He may also
be overly critical to himself. Which means what he is labeling bullying behavior in himself might not be characterised that way by most people.
That may be true.



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06 Aug 2007, 8:24 am

ADoyle wrote:
My ex-husband was a narcissistic bully, and I wouldn't be surprised if he has NPD as he has most of the characteristics of that disorder. The quote about the victim not being a person is exactly how my ex thought, that I was nothing more than chattle. There were times when I thought I was the "crazy" one, but I now know that I wasn't. In a way, I'm just extremely lucky I got out alive, and before the abuse turned physical.
I'm glad for you too. For many of us, including myself, bullying was very physical.



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06 Aug 2007, 10:18 am

Im sorry but I have encountered enough serial bullies to last me a dozen lifetimes over...I already knew how they thought and function long before this was up, and it was that functioning that almost killed me! The only thing I remotely liked about that article was that it was raising bullying awareness.